January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

most exciting atheletes I have ever seen.|
|8/26/04 10:45:47 AM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|FRAN: I can
understand your point of view. JQ could really pull surprises out, ala Mac
Foster and Lyle. But the Sonnly Liston of 1959 was not the same man Ali and
later Leotis Martin beat. I just think he would have cut JQ up with that
awesome jab and reach. Maybe yes, maybe no. I agree 100% that JQ was a very
exciting fighter. He is one of my all time favorites. |
|8/26/04 11:51:16 AM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|I was born
in 1963, so my exposure to Liston is old tapes---and let's face it, the Liston
fights most often seen are the two losses to Ali/Clay.But a 1959 Liston must
have been a very formidable fighter. I say this because I have the last Liston
fight on tape, versus Wepner. Liston still looked good, and this was 1969 or
1970. He had decent conditioning and could still get the jab moving better than
guys much younger. I'm too young to remember, but what happened to Liston after
his losses to Ali? Why wouldn't he still be a force for a few years after that?
It seems as though you don't hear much about his career from 1965-1970, but he
was active, wasn't he? I got to say, I think he would have given Frazier
trouble around '68. |
|8/26/04 12:12:19 PM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|ANGELO: Like I
said, Liston reached his peak BEFORE he became champion. He was the number 1
contender for more than two years before Patterson was finally humiliated by the
press into giving him a title shot. Look at his early record. For example in
1960 alone, he beat Eddie Machen, Zora Folley, Roy Harris, and Cleveland
Williams (for the second time). For a very brief period he really was the
baddest man on the planet. Unlike Lyle and Shavers, Liston had good technical
skills and was a combination puncher with a great left jab. He was the prototype
for today's large yet talented heavyweight. Prior to him the division was made
up of smaller men, under 200 lbs like Patterson, Johanson, etc.|
|8/26/04 12:24:24 PM|Massimo|... E schiava di Roma Iddio la creo'
!.com||4||||10|Angelo-I haven't seen much of Liston too and this is a
disgrace as it has to be worth watching. I have seen Liston vs Harris (1960) and
Charles Sonny looked awesome and distroyed Roy in less than 1 round. I have seen
Liston-Williams 2 and Sonny was great, the 2 Patterson fights, of course the two
Ali' fights, a sinthesis of the Wepner fight and another sinthesis of the Machen
fight. Anybody of you has seen Liston-Valdes, Liston-De John, Liston-Besmanoff
or some other fight ? I have read somewhere that Liston gave Mike De John the
worst beating of his career. And Mike was a dangerous contender, one of the
hardest punchers of the time ( Chuvalo said this ). |
|8/26/04 12:38:42 PM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|Angelo -Between 1966 and 1970
Sonny fought about 13 fighters. These guys were good and expert fighters such as
Big Train Lincoln or raising stars such as Henry Clark but weren't championship
stuff. But close to the end of his career, just before the Martin fight, Liston
was back in the top ten. |
|8/26/04 06:52:15 PM|Joe Krause|Chicago||sadmspats@yahoo.com||||10|Sonny Liston
circa 1958-1960 was an absolute beast. Sonny Liston vs Muhammad Ali was not the
real Sonny Liston. All the repect in the world for Muhammad Ali he was the
greatest, but that wasn't Sonny Liston in either fight. It was the Sonny that
sold out to the almighty dollar. I don't say these things lightly and I am not
prone to hyperbole, but the fix was in.|
|8/26/04 07:32:08 PM|angelo|dc||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|No way any fix was in
on Clay-Liston I. Liston took a beating, plain and simple. He was outclassed
and battered by a younger, faster, more determined boxer. Liston's face told
the story---you don't take a beating like that to throw a fight. I'll admit
that the "phantom punch" in the second fight was more than a little suspicious
though. You can offer an opinion that a 1958-60 Liston would have done better
against Clay---but without any shred of evidence I think it's crazy to say that
their first fight was fixed in any way, shape or form. |