January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

Ali fight? Speaking of objective examinations of fighters and fights,
take a look at Jerry at the end of the Shavers fight. Think if Ernie had
survived the first round the outcome might have been different? Quarry's
exhausted condiion may have suggested what was, unfortunately, ahead for him.
Maybe Frazier was lucky Jerry won.|
|2/22/05 01:31:46 PM|Steve|N.J.||N.A.||||10|I don't see the point in this Ali-
vs-Frazier's place in heavyweight history debate going on much longer.It's
abundantly clear that both camps are firmly entrenched in their opinions.I do
believe,however,that the people who are defending Frazier's place in heavyweight
history are taking the higher ground.Kent,Massimo.Noam,Fan,and myself have all
acknowledged that Ali was probably the greatist heavyweight of all
time.Angelo,you seem to feel as though Frazier was less than an all time great
based on the often repeated arguement that he ducked all heavy punchers.Notably
Shavers,Lyle and Norton.I've got to repeat my stance that the fact that he
fought Foreman a second time ,Ali three times,Oscar Bonavena twice,and Jerry
Quarry twice,kind of refutes tour statement that he ducked all difficult fights.
You can only fight so many fights in a given time frame.For Frazier to have
fought every top tan ranked fighter during the mid seventies,he would have to
fight every two months.Yes,Ali fought everyone out there ,and look where it got
him.Yes,Angelo,the idea that"styles make fights" is a valid arguement.It's
not an excuse.Frazier defeats Ali,Foreman crushes Frazier,Ali ko's
Foreman.Quarry walked through Shavers,and beat the heck out of Ron Lyle.Are you
saying that Frazier,by fighting Quarry a second time,was ducking Shavers and
Lyle?Did any of Foreman's knockout victims ever fight him a second time? Where
would you put George Foreman on the all time list?Remember, he has been quoted
as saying that he "ducked Jerry Quarry" |
|2/22/05 01:41:54 PM|Steve|N.J.||N/A||||10|Massimo,why did Ali fight Bob
Foster,could he have thought he was giving Ken Norton a fourth chance,since he
stoled the third fight? |
|2/22/05 02:05:59 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Steve:
Where a grueling fight schedule against the worlds best got Ali is two places:
1) He has severe neurological problems due to Parkinson's Syndrome (or
Parkinsons Disease) very likely due to boxing, though Michael J. Fox and Janet
Reno have the same disorder and they never faced Shavers, Foreman and Frazier,
at least not to my knowledge. 2) The other place it got Ali is to the top of
the top when all time greats are discussed. If he isn't the greatest, he's
pretty damn close. Frazier? Very, very good heavyweight of his era and a fine
Champion. Don't tell me that he couldn't take on every top ten fighter or he'd
be fighting every two months. I never said he had to fight EVERY top ten guy---
it just would have been nice if he fought a few different ones or at least, for
instance, Ron Lyle instead of Jimmy Ellis a second time. Okay, okay, he was
training for Ali and Ellis was a better test for him than Lyle or Shavers.
Fine. With Bugner, what's the reason there? Hmmmm....let's see, Stander and
Bugner are both a little slow, so that's a good reason. No entrance into the
tournament? Ahhh...let's see, the best in the world shouldn't have to prove it
by fighting three times, why not wait till the dust settles and just take on the
winner and hope that it's a guy with a lighter punch. Then I could beat him and
low and behold, fight him 5 years later and beat him again. |
|2/22/05 02:06:06 PM|Steve|N.J.||N/A||||10|Massimo,I believe Big Mac Foster was
20 wins,0 losses,20 knockouts when Jerry Quarry took him to big boys school.I
guess Jerry had to fight him,since Frazier was ducking him.|
|2/22/05 02:17:12 PM|Howard C.|Louisville||howardc@lousiville||||10|No one can
identify any viable heavy that Ali didn't face. It didn't matter who they were,
he fought them. Frazier didn't. Fact.Joe and Yank and Cloverlay had
board meetings to decide Joe's next opponent. They discussed who and what to
avoid (like the elimination tournament). Fact. Meanwhile, Ali didn't need
discussions; he just fought the next best. Fact.I'll show you a few