January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

Frazier won the heavyweight championship in pieces beating Buster Mathis and
Jimmy Ellis (both of whom also lost to Muhammad). After he beat Ali (which was
when Joe truly became champion), his only successful title defences were against
Terry Daniels and Ron Stander. Then he got knocked out by George Foreman, who
knocked him out a second time three years later. Take away the three Ali-Frazier
fights, two of which were won by Ali, and what have you got."We should
contrast Frazier's jealousy against Foreman's magnamity. This is what George
said about Ali,"After Ali beat me I was bitter for a while. But then I
realised I'd lost to a great champion; probably the greatest of all time. Now
I'm proud just to be part of the Ali legend. If people mention my name with his
from time to time, that's enough for me."Frazier and his loving fans
should take a leaf out of George Foreman's book ! George and Muhammad rid
themselves of hatred and petty jealousies decades ago, but Frazier still carries
the hatred and resentment to this very minute. Fan, it's not Ali doing
the hating; it's Frazier.|
|7/17/05 11:20:46 PM|Bob Bumbera|NC||renfbera@aol.com||||10|I do agree Ali was
no saint. But then again how many of these guy's are? Marciano had ties with
the Mob along with Jake LaMotta and Frank Sinatra. Sonny Liston was a strong
arm guy for mobsters and may have been killed by them. Evander Holyfield has
had at least 7 children by five different women. Riddick Bowe beat his wife,
Joe Frazier at the '96 Olympics, said if he were up there with Ali when he was
lighting the flame he would push Ali into the fire. In the forties, fifties and
sixties, many Black folks in this country did view Whites as devils. In many
parts of this country Blacks couldn't vote, even after 1965. The resentment
towards and many cases hatred of the White race, put into context, are
understandable. The things Ali said as a spokesman of the NOI, the position of
the NOI and Black Panther Movement, were needed then for change to take place in
this country. Sit-ins and marches through Selma can not change everything. A
few Whites may have died at the hands of these radical groups, and while I do
not endorse their actions, just as I deplore the actions and attitudes of White
hate groups. Which by the way completely baffle me, many more Blacks have died
at the hands of White people with the blessings of the local and state
authorities. As I said earlier, it is understandable why these groups rose in
numbers during the sixties. Shamefully, under a thin surface, these issues are
still with us today. I was in Batesville Mississippi not to long ago and I saw
a bumper sticker with a confederate flag on it that said; “I have a dream
too”. Very scary.|
|7/18/05 12:34:14 AM|Kent|Murrieta, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Angelo, even
1981 Frazier would knock out Jones in round two. Jones barely survived the
sixth and final round verses a journeyman crusierweight named Yaqui Manneses and
although the judges gave the verdict to Jones, Manneses clearly scored the most
damage. Too Tall Jones couldn't fight even if he won all six of his fights.|
|7/18/05 04:04:10 AM|Howard C.|Louisville||howardc@louisville||||10|Fan: Ali
"clearly" repudiated 21 years ago the beliefs which offend you, so I hope that
he has "gone up immeasurably" in your opinion as mentioned in your recent post.
Let me know, please, if Noam has reassured you.I support Ali 'the
boxer', not the young Clay and Ali the 'person'. There was nothing in Clay's
middle class upbringing that should have pushed him to those absurd beliefs. I
guess he was just a young guy overwhelmed by the situation and the more wordly
adults around him. But that doesn't excuse it.However, Ali has moved on
to be a wonderful human being, in my opinion. He has done far more positive
things for the world than negative acts. He has more than made up for the stupid
beliefs and statements he made four decades ago.I lived through the
Vietnam era and I never agreed with Ali's stance. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I still
think the Vietnam War had to be fought. If it hadn't of been fought, Thailand
and even Malaysia probably would have fallen to the communists. Was it worth
58,000 lives ? Nothing is worth that awful cost, ever, but at least something