January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

dead. He's in prime health. He's just training for the hanging upside down
olympics"And the Dead Parrot Society says, "Joe wasn't knocked down six
times by Foreman; he was only down there because his contact lenses kept falling
out"......"Joe didn't get knocked down against Bruce, he was only doing up his
boot laces"......"Joe was looking for big punchers to fight so he picked
Standers and Daniels"......."Jimmy Ellis was a completely legitimate opponent;
the Coroner's Office didn't object to the the match-up."That will be the
low down on Smokin Joe if the Dead Parroters have their way ! The biography
channel can have a documentary about Joe with Shirley Temple doing the narrative
and 'The Hills Are Alive With The Sound Of Music' as the background tune.|
|3/19/05 05:25:06 PM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|Angelo, a while back you asked about
the Frazier-Cummings (the second greatest heavyweight of all times after
Clifford) fight. The scores were45-46 for Cummings47-4746-46|
|3/20/05 01:01:42 PM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Howard, fight
fans of the future will not just rely on the record books because videos of the
fighters of the past, especially from the era after television was invented,
will be available.The way you are overly critical of Frazier's ability
makes it seem as if you are only going by the record book but that only tells
part of the story. One has to see how Smokin Joe Frazier fought at his best to
see how really devastating he was.If you sat down with me and we watched
the Mathis fight, the Quarry fights, the first Ellis fight, the Chuvalo fight,
the Machen fight, all of the Ali fights, the Bonevena fights, and a few others
of Joe at his best and then you continue to downgrade Joe's ability, then you
would have more credibility. It seems as if you never saw Joe fight.I
go by how difficult a fighter would be for other fighters to beat when that
fighter is at his very best and at Joe's very best, that number or fighters who
have ever lived is very small, a handful at most. Effective longevity,
although a consideration is not the most important factor. Of course a fighter
needs to have been great for a period measured in years, not months or one
fight. So I would not rank fighters like Buster Douglas and Oliver McCall high
on the all time list for one great fight or in McCall's case one great punch,
but Frazier's period can be measured in his best years, circa 1967 to
1972.I also don't rate a fighter lower for staying around to long so
even Ali, the greatest himself, for losing to Leon Spinks and Trevor Berbick or
Evander Holyfield for losing so many fights late in his (still going?) career
still rank very high on my list because at their best they were hard to beat by
anyone.|
|3/20/05 02:57:08 PM|Howard C.|Louisville||howardc@louisville||||10|Kent, logic
sometimes vacations from your posts.Like the latest one. First of all
you (correctly) point out that fights fans have videos of past fighters to
assess their true ability, then in the next sentence you accuse me of
criticizing Frazier without ever seeing him fight.Well, Kent, if I
wasn't old enough to have seen Joe fight live, like Noam, there are videos of
him to watch. However, I dare say that I am older than you and might even have
watched Joe more often than you have.Unlike the Dead Parroters I did so
with eyes wide open. I didn't shut my eyes when Bruce knocked him down, when
Oscar put him down twice, when Ali beat him on points once and stopped him once,
or when Foreman sat him on his backside every 35 seconds.I had my eyes
open also when Joe was at his devastating best against second tier fighters like
Stander and Daniels. And while I had my eyes open and was looking around
furiously, I never got to see Joe at his devastating best against punchers like
Lyle and Shavers and top shelf fighters like Terrell, Liston, Mac Foster and
Norton.SHOW ME VIDEOS OF THOSE FIGHTS, DEAD PARROTERS. But the
Dead Parroters never saw those fights either, yet you brazenly challenge anyone
speculating on the result, "Are you crazy enough to suggest that those guys
could really beat Smokin' Joe ?"When we say that Joe was not
bulletproof, as shown by Bruce and Bonavena, and that all those guys he didn't