January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

these two men did has impressed so many. Ali and Frazier are both human beings.
The klieglights of the media can take acts into so many directions. Why was
there such a feud? Frazier was deeply offended by Ali to such a degree that his
dignity as a man, a black man, was under attack. It is easy to say "Joe, I know
what he did to you was classless and beyond cruel, but it's time to move on". We
all have hurts we still reconsider. Frazier has the right to regard what Ali did
as he sees fit. It wasn't a private insult, it was a campaign to confuse his
opponent, sell tickets, and to advance Ali's racial/political agenda. I'm glad
it backfired and that Ali still lives under the shadow of what he did... Angelo,
you make good points on Foreman. Certainly a case could be made that Foreman is
top Ten or better all-time. I just don't happen to agree with them for reasons
given. He certainly was a rarely gifted heavyweight who could have ruled the
70's. He fell far short of that, though. But there are several former
heavyweight champions in history who did truly dominate their eras. I put them
ahead of Foreman, and that's no insult. |
|8/24/04 06:00:15 AM|.|.||.||||10|Two things I'd like to add, about Ali-Frazier
I and about Larry Holmes. I think the correct score was 8-7 for Frasier but
apparently a significant minority of people at ringside scored the fight for
Ali. I learnt of this from an old boxing mag of my Dad's that was distributed
when he attended the closed circuit showing of the Thrilla in Manilla. In an by
article Lou Erskin, a judge who would later referee the Ali-Lewis fight in
Dublin, he claimed that he had scored the fight 8-7 for Ali as had many of his
colleagues. He then obtained the three score cards and came to some interesting
results. The scores were 9-6, 8-6-1, 11-4. Had Ali won the last round, he would
have got a draw on the referee’s scorecard. Though Ali won no more than
six rounds on any card, he won ten DIFFERENT rounds on all the cards when looked
at together. Hope that makes sense. It doesn't shock me that some judges should
have thought that Ali won more rounds, though the overall impression is
definitely that Frasier won THE FIGHT. On Joe Krause's old website, he scored
the fight even in rounds: 7-7-1. As for Holmes, he was an excellent fighter and
would have given any heavyweight boxer a hard time. However, the knock against
him is that he doesn't appear to have pushed to unify the WBA and WBC titles.
The implication of that is that he never fought Tubbs, Thomas, Page, Dokes,
Coetzee and a few other able fighters. In the 70s, Ali fought everyone, often
twice. I think that maybe Holmes ranks a bit lower than Ali because of that.
Peace. |
|8/24/04 03:28:15 PM|Richie Cunningham|Milwaake||stock-fish !.com||||10|I found
my thrill on Blueberry Hills...|
|8/24/04 05:59:03 PM|Angelo|dc||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Steve:I apologize
if the comments offended you. I wasn't questioning your honesty, just whether
the account was accurate (meaning you saw this recently and it was pretty clear
what Frazier was saying). I have misinterpreted stuff like this myself and if I
saw a documentary a long time ago, might have things out of context. I take you
at your word and believe that Frazier tried to put the feud to rest. On a new
topic, what does everyone here think would have happened with a Jerry Quarry vs.
Gerrie Coetzee fight? I'd have to go with JQ in this one. I'm not sure if he'd
win a decision or end it with a KO though. |
|8/24/04 11:34:02 PM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|I would have
to vote for Jerry over Coetzee, likely by decision. I believe Jerry's hand
speed and counterpunching ablilty would be the difference in this one. Coetzee
had a very good hard right hand and a good left jab but he was not very mobile
and even though he too had fairly fast hands, he couldn't match Jerry in that
regard. Good fight though, about 8 to 4 in favor of Jerry in a twelve rounder.
Coetzee would land some hard shots but if Jerry could take punches from Frazier,
Lyle, Shavers, and M. Foster and not go down (except for a knockdown from a body
shot in Frazier 2), Jerry could take all Coetzee could offer too.Like I
said, Coetzee did have a good accurate left jab and you never know when the cut