January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

6, Patterson 6, Ali 20 plus, Holmes 16 plus, Tyson 9 plus, Lewis 12 plus.....and
then down to Frazier on 4 (against Foster, Ali, Stander and
Daniels).Frazier fought 2 guys in the top 10 of all time. He won one of
those five fights. In three of the four he lost, he was stopped three times. |
|3/2/05 07:00:02 PM|Massimo |Roma||4||||10|Wait a minute, Frazier won the first
version of the title in 1968 against Mathis and then defended against Quarry and
all the others you mentioned. If you are talking of the undesputed heavyweight
champion, then, with all the respect, you can't say Tyson 9 as Mike Tyson became
the undesputed heavyweight champion against Tony Tucker (if I remember
correctly) and then defended the title less then 9 times.|
|3/2/05 08:44:43 PM|Howard C.|Louisville||howardc@louisville||||10|Thanks for
setting me straight on why Frazier burnt out so early, Forest. Being from
Philadelphia, he "fought all out wars in the gym", you wrote. You should
have given the heads-up on that to Cloverlay. They could have squeezed more
juice out of him had they known he was fighting so hard in the gym. I already
suspected he liked hard gym work, what with his match-ups with Stander, Daniels,
Zyglwicz, and that last blockbuster against Ellis.You've put me straight
a couple of times, Forest. When I was beginning to think that Frazier might have
ducked Norton, you filled me in that Joe liked him too much to fight
him.Now I know that Joe burnt out early because he came from
Philadelphia. I learn something every day.|
|3/3/05 03:35:05 AM|Massimo |Roma||4||||10|Tyson yesterday told Paolo Bonolis (
a legend in the USA) that he will be back in the ring around 20 June in Angelo's
home town (Washinghton,Maryland). I'm very concerned about his health, he should
not be fighting anymore. When I see his old fights against Berbick (the tragic
ballet), Holmes, Bruno etc. I can't believe he is still an active fighter. I
think he will have economic problems forever and he is gonna keep (on) fighting
until he is 72 years old. He is gonna get hurt, we got to stop him somehow.
What's next ? Bowe-Tyson ?|
|3/3/05 04:15:25 AM|Noam|same||same||||10|In April 1972 Ali fought Mac Foster.
It was a tough fight with Ali winning a 15 round decision. Before the loss,
Foster had a record of 30 KOs in 31 fights.That same year (1972) Frazier
defended his title against Daniels and Stander. Foster deserved a shot at the
title before those two, but Frazier never gave him the chance.I'm sure
Frazier had very good reasons for ducking this guy, too. Perhaps he liked him
too much. Maybe there was more money in fighting Daniels and Stander instead of
a guy with 30 KOs in 31 fights. After 1969 when Frazier got the first
version of the title, these are the guys he fought whom Ali didn't fight:
Zyglwicz, Stander, Daniels, and Cumming.These guys were Frazier's warm
up, warm down, tune up, and an easy fight to which it is said that he was
entitled having just won the title.Here is the list after 1969 of the
guys Ali fought whom Frazier didn't: Blin, Mac Foster, Al Lewis, Patterson,
Norton (3 times), Lubbers, Wepner, Lyle, Coopman, Young, Dunn, Evangelista,
Shavers, Spinks (twice), Holmes, and Berbick.Ali is four years older
than Frazier. Interesting. |
|3/3/05 11:33:29 AM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Noam, if
Frazier was avoiding punchers, then why did he fight Foreman after Stander and
Daniels, who were tune ups Frazier was entitled to? Ali, two tune ups, and then
Foreman, sounds fair to me.Do you know why Foster had 30 wins in 31
fights before the Ali fight? It was because he had a loss to Jerry Quarry and
maybe, just maybe this took him out of the title picture. Sound
familar?Quarry had a history of sending back down the ladder up and
coming contenders put in front of him. Thad Spencer, (who had beaten Terrell)
Lyle, Shavers, and Foster all fell victim to Quarry.It makes sense to me
that a fighter works his way into the top ten rankings and then he loses to a
highly ranked contendter, Quarry. This would mean Foster would have to work his
way up again while Foreman, who was undefeated, got his title shot and won.