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and was deceptively quick. Jones managed to double and even triple up on jabs
when he won over Mike Weaver and when he lost to Holmes. He was undefeated
(with a draw) when he met Holmes. He held his own for a few rounds, but the
second best fighter of our time, Larry Holmes, figured him out and took him
apart just past the halfway point as I recall. I don't know if it's true that
Jones retired because of an eye injury suffered in the Holmes loss---but I can
tell you that if Holmes wasn't on the scene, there's no telling how high Leroy
Jones would have risen. Quite frankly, I feel he would handle Frazier and earn
a decision. Frazier would be like a buzzsaw coming in on him, but Jones would
close Frazier's eyes with his jabs and use his height and weight (taller and
heavier than Foreman) to wear Frazier down. This guy was much better than he'll
ever be given credit for. Hell, the "NABF" title he held was as legitimate as
the funky New York State nonsense that Frazier was "deemed." Ask Noam. |
|7/14/05 05:14:15 PM|LES.|NEW JERSEY||N/A||||10|CAN I GET ANYONE TO AGREE WITH
ME THAT ALI WAS A DRAFT DODGER AND NOT SUCH A GREAT PERSON ONLY A GREAT BOXER..|
|7/14/05 05:25:08 PM|Fan|Fandom||Fan@Fandom.com||||10|I have seen Jones-Holmes
and Jones-Weaver. I have also seen Lovell in a different fight who he drew
with. Jones was a worse version of Mathis in my opinion. He was light on his
feet, but had very little power and would have had NOTHING to keep Joe off him.
I would put Jones on par with fighters like Boone Kirkman, Larry Middleton,
Henry Clark etc. All good fighters, but limited. Joe Frazier would have
demolished Leroy Jones, I bet even Leroy would say so. Just my opinion however.
If you brought that idea to BOXREC or other boxing sites you would have to duck
for cover though :).|
|7/14/05 05:28:06 PM|Les.|N.J.||N/A||||10|HEY!!!;....Don't be scared of me just
because i'm from New Jersey. ali was not the great person everyone thinks he
was. |
|7/14/05 06:31:38 PM|Noam|same||same||||10|Les - I agree with you to an extent.
In his younger days, Clay (and then Ali) wasn't the same person he is today. The
modern Ali bravely and with dignity battles his disease, is a voice for
moderation in the Islamic world, and does not have a bad word to say about
anyone. If everyone in the world was like the modern day Ali, then we wouldn't
need armies or police forces.As a youngster, he was an unsophisticated
person quickly thrust into a sophisticated world. He wasn't surrounded by good
people in the Black Muslims and wasn't getting good guidance (even though he his
longevity has since proved that his dedication to his religion was sincere and
not feigned to avoid drafting).Funny thing though, people look past Ali
the boxer - the guy who almost singlehandly resurrected the sport and raised
profits for fighters enormously - to Ali the person and his private life. I
suppose that's fair enough because Ali publicized his views in politics and
religion and unwisely allowed himself to be used by some zealots.But
people don't seem to examine the private life of other boxing identities, boxers
such as Frazier, with the same zest they apply to Ali. Anyway, Les, Clay/Ali the
person wasn't so great at times. More recently, he is, in my opinion
anyway.Fan - I am just leaving home to keep an appointment and I will
have to get back to you with a list of better boxers than Frazier. Also, I agree
with the calls to stop the name calling, etc. I'm puffed out. |
|7/14/05 07:03:48 PM|Massimo |Roma||Vival'Italia.com||||10|I am surprised and
glad to hear Angelo thinks that Primo Carnera would have beaten Joe
Frazier!BRAVISSIMO!!!!!!!!!|
|7/14/05 07:10:36 PM|Steve|na||na||||10|Hey Les from New Jersey,I,ve got to
agree with you that Ali probably wasn't a great guy.|
|7/14/05 08:13:01 PM|Les.|N.J.||N/A||||10| Noam; How you doin?. Ali was, in my
humble opinion, (VERY AFRAID) to enter the U.S. Military and i don't (buy into)
that he did not want to serve because of his religion, he was just (faking it)
if you ask me. I just don't understand how so meny people can have such high
reguard for Ali when all he ever did besides boxing was cause problems everywear