January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

like you will never run me off.|
|7/11/05 09:38:45 AM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Fan: No,
Shavers did NOT retire after losing to Quarry. If he genuinely retired, we
would have never seen him fight Ali for the title, never seen him fight Holmes
twice, never see him flatten Norton in one, or battle Tex Cobb. He might have
PLANNED to retire, but low and behold, a new challenge and more money got him
out of "retirement" and he went on to fight for many, many years. You want to
know when Ali retired? After he lost to Berbick. Ray Leonard retired after
losing to Camacho. Point is, you can say you're retiring, but if you go back to
work, you didn't retire, you just stopped working for a while. When you retire
for good, you're done. Foreman did not retire after losing to Jimmy Young. He
just stopped fighting for an eternity. The bigger point in your context is that
Shavers was very available during this "retirement" and if the opportunity was
in this time frame, he would have gladly "come out of retirement" to fly 13-16
hours to Austrailia for a $75,000 fight against Frazier (This is the amount
Jimmy Ellis' ghost was paid.). In 1975, $75,000 was a big fortune to a guy like
Earnie Shavers. He would have fought Foreman, Frazier, Ali, Norton, Quarry
again---maybe even fought a shark in deep water for a $75,000 payday and the
chance to move to an even bigger fight with a win. The phone didn't ring.
Earnie's phone didn't ring. Jimmy's did. |
|7/11/05 10:09:44 AM|Kent|Murrieta, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Angelo, it
does make sense that Shavers management would not want to put Shavers in with
Frazier in the 1974-75 period as he had lost to Quarry and Stallings and he
needed to regain confidense. As Fan says, he was a non entity in this period.
Shavers was still a very good prospect. Angelo, haven't you ever heard
about ruining a prospect by putting him in over his head before he was ready?
Shavers had a lot of career fights by this time but he hadn't been in with
anyone of note, with the exception of Jimmy Ellis and Quarry, remember that
before 1975 Jimmy Young had not emerged as a contender yet so Shavers' win over
him in 1973 was not that important of a win at the time and his draw with him in
1974 contributed to him needing to regroup in 1975.He regrouped in 1975
by beating three journeymen fighters, had a temporary setback with his loss to
Lyle, and a win over another journeyman fighter leading into 1976. That year he
beat Clark, Smith, and Williams and by this time he was ready to take on someone
like Frazier but Frazier was gone and Shavers fought Ali for the title in the
next year.|
|7/11/05 11:12:12 AM|Fan|Fandom||Fan@Fandom.com||||10|Reitrement-Withdrawal from
one's occupation, business, or office.That is actually what Shavers did.
The fact that he came out of retirement does not mean he wasn't in it. That is
why people say "He came out of retirement." It does not have to be a permament
place, it can be temporary.Earnie Shavers retired for a period of five
months.|
|7/11/05 12:32:22 PM|Massimo |Roma||NoEinstein.com||||10|Angelo-I see
your point, but I just don't know exactly how this thing works ! You need to ask
some good Physicist. But the experts don't consider obvious or trivial that the
Universe is endless. I'm sure they have their good reasons! Sometimes the
reality is more complex than we can think intuitively.|
|7/11/05 12:36:43 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Of course I
understand that people retire and unretire, but my point is that "unretire" is
sort of an oxymoron/paradox. In boxing, and in many sports, it seems as though
retirement is another word for taking a break, like when Micheal Jordon retired
to play baseball. And I stand by my assertion that Shavers retirement would
have been five hours, not five months, if he had a high profile money fight
offered to him. I also stand by my assertion that anybody can use Kent's
rationale to dismiss any boxer in history ducking any other boxer in history.
You can always find the long way around to rationalize why a fight didn't take
place. And to be sure, I totally believe the fact that Shavers-Frazier might