January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

oxer, as I've said before. Great jab and great use of it. Solid defensively.
The guy boxed and acted like a champ should.I just feel he had too many
sketchy performances to warrant top ten all-time. I've already posted to death
on that, so I'll spare us on that here ...Kudos to the White Sox and Astros
for making the World Series. My Indians chased the Sox all year, but they were
awfully good. The 'Stros are a pickup to a city needing one, I think, also.
Should be a fun Series. Houston also has a solid NBA team. I know Big George
will be rootin' for them this year. Thanks. |
|10/20/05 08:31:18 AM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|Gerry-I'm sorry but I have
to correct you, Paul from Sidney was the guy who used to use "cheers" often in
his posts, not Evren. This is history. This is also legend, this is legendary
history!|
|10/20/05 10:28:37 AM|Kent|Murrieta, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Angelo,
point well taken, Frazier's management selected his opponents and he didn't have
many pro fights as his all out style meant he would burn out fast. People can
use this to rank him lower than he might otherwise be ranked in all time great
lists. I think otherwise as in his prime he was great, hard to beat by most in
any era and his prime was at least for a while.It was pointed out that
Joe fought more tomato cans than other champions and this just isn't
true.I considered a world class fights as against someone who was a
champion or contender or near the rankings for at least a couple of years. So I
didn't even put a fighter like Manuel Ramos, who I believe was ranked at one
time, but only briefly, on Frazier's list. While I put Roy "Tiger" Williams on
Holmes' list based on his tough fights with Holmes and Shavers even though
Williams was never a ranked fighter.Some may disagree with a fight or
two on each list but the fact still remains, Frazier did not fight a higher
percentage or more tomato can opponets (non world class) than champions such as
Holmes and Foreman.Ali did fight a higher percentage of world class
opponents than those other champions, again one of the reasons he is the
greatest as he did things other champions, not just Frazier, didn't do.I
think some here go out of their way to be critical of Frazier's career but for
what reason, I don't know. I know people don't like it when I name drop
but tommorrow night I am reporting on the Vernon Forrest verses Elco Garcia
fight and I think Sean O'Grady will be announcing (former lightweight
champion).I have spoken to Sean on several occasions and while I doubt
if he remembers my name, he always says hello to me. I am going to see if I can
ask Sean what he thinks about Frazier ducking people or if I can ask any other
boxing experts who may be there, maybe James Toney as his promoter is doing the
card, the same question.Realize expert opinion is considered a valid
form of information in logical arguments.|
|10/20/05 11:12:06 AM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Kent:
Agreed. Frazier at his peak, though his peak wasn't as long in duration as
Ali's or Holmes, was more than formidable---he was beatable, but not by many.
I've never argued the point that Frazier at his best was truly ferocious. As
for Sean O'Grady, I don't consider him an expert on early 70's heavyweights any
more than I am. I'm confident I could pull more names out of a hat than he
could with regard to heavies of the 60's and 70's and I'm betting that my recall
of the fights, fighters, dates is as good or better than his. I do like O'Grady
very much though. I think the question of Frazier possibly ducking certain
fighters/styles should be asked of his contemporaries. I'd love a CANDID answer
from Foreman---"George, after you walked over Frazier, do you think he and his
"careful/cautious" team thought twice about going in against Shavers or Lyle?"
If Foreman were being honest and open, I wonder what he'd say? |
|10/20/05 11:24:49 AM|Gerry|Cleveland||jerjets11@yahoo.com||||10|Thanks for the
clarification, Massimo. Still, it clearly is a better term than some I've been
addressed with, no matter who says 'cheers '.And the site clearly does miss
Evren and other long-time posters not here today ...Kent sums up a great