January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

And I still haven't got to the issue of all the real hard punchers that
he refused to fight.Okay, I'll be fair. Yes, I know. He didn't fight
Norton because they were great buddies and had too much affection for each
other. Yes, I know Joe says that there was more money in fights against Daniels
and other nobodies than there was against big names like Lyle and Shavers and
Norton and guys who could really bang. And, yeah, sure, there are guys out there
who believe this crap (the same imbeciles who think that money fairies live at
the bottom of gardens). Fan, don't let it only be me spoiling your
allusion about wonderful old Joe. Caste a critical eye over Frazier's career and
maybe sense might start leaking from your mouth. (Notice I stuck to boxing and
didn't say anything about the caliber of female opponents loveable old Joe also
fought.)|
|2/14/05 03:32:07 AM|Massimo|Senatus Populusque Romanus (SPQR)||4||||10|I think
it's not big deal that Frazier didn't fight in the WBA tournament because after
he won the WBC title by beating Buster Mathis ( a guy who had whipped him twice
as an amateur) he defended it against Quarry and Bonavena ( probably the 2 most
dangerous fighters in the tournment and defeated them clearly). I just can't see
Mildenberger, Spencer, Patterson or Martin whipping Joe. Guys like Lyle and
Shavers would have been dangerous for Joe though but they would have been
dangerous for any human being that(or who) ever lived, Carnera included.|
|2/14/05 09:13:49 AM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Kent:
Esteban DeJesus---knocked Duran down early in their fights. Didn't he beat
Duran?Frazier: As said before, he did duck some of the meanest and
strongest punchers of the early-mid 70's. |
|2/14/05 11:17:30 AM|Fan|Fandom||Fan@Fandom.com||||10|Hey Howard C., now we are
talking boxing. However you are mistaken to think that I would say Joe was the
best that ever lived if he retired after Ali I. Some would say it though. Just
like some hold onto the crazy notion that Rocky Marciano is the best that ever
lived. Frazier avoided people Pre-Ali I? He didn't enter that tourney because
he was already the number 1 contender and really he could have beaten everyone
in that tourney quite easily. Name 1 top contender from the late 60's that Joe
purposely avoided? He fought everyone available except Liston. His record
reads like a who's who of the late 60's. After Ali I doesn't matter because if
he retired it is moot. However I do appreciate the debate, God knows this place
needs it.|
|2/14/05 02:17:39 PM|Howard C.|Louisville||howardc@louisville||||10|Fan, if this
site is so bad, then why do you keep visiting ? Why are you continually taking
cheap shots if you really want to only debate boxing ? Seems to me you're trying
to provoke trouble here to justify your critizisms of this site so others will
join you at Gerri's renegade one. It's called 'poaching'. Anyway, if
the WBA tournament was full of stiffs that Smokin' Joe would thrash, then why
didn't he thrash them one after the other ? Clay would have. It would have been
easy for Joe, right ?And tell me, Fan, why didn't Joe fight Norton and
Lyle and Shavers ? Was it truthful for Frazier to say that there was more money
in fighting stiffs like Daniels or having rematches with Ellis and Bonavena
?Would Frazier have beaten Louis, Marciano, Liston, Holmes, Tyson, or
Lewis ? I predict that all these guys would have stopped quite easily the Joe
that existed before the first Ali fight, and beaten ridiculously easily the
shell of Joe that remained after he fought Ali the first time. That is
not to say that Joe doesn't have his place in boxing folklore. His triology
against Ali provided boxing with some of its most memorable moments, but Joe's
efforts were fueled by hate, not pure ability.Take away Joe's famous
left hook and what remained ? Not much, really. A lot of simmering hatred and
bitterness and excuses for failures (and denials that he bashed women) and
that's about it.Ever seen Joe happy and free of resentment. I haven't.
Foreman extinguished any pretence about Joe being up there with the very
best. Joe should have ducked Joe like he avoided Lyle and Norton and perhaps