January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

ound because it was easier to spell. Hey, this is part of boxing. Still,
while it be argued that both men missed opponents, Frazier did post consistently
better performances against the top guys he did fight.Good points have been
made about Holmes, unquestionably a top guy, but matches with Norton,
Witherspoon, Snipes, Williams, and arguably Cooney, were close enough to demand
rematches. Show me a Frazier fight that fits that discription that did receive a
rematch. While both guys arguably did miss opponents, Holmes clearly had very
questionable performances against the guys he did face.I don't hear this
being addressed.Noam has some very good points on Mathis, who was probably
top fifteen, but not top ten.He did beat Wepner and edge Lincoln. Believe it
or not, Mathis dominated Chuvalo before being trashed, in succession by Frazier,
Quarry, Ali and Lyle. He was, apparently, a good second-tier guy. It's a wonder
Holmes never faced him, given all the second tier guys he did face on the way to
Shavers and Norton.All the dialogue here only further proves to me that
these are two very top notch former champions with similar standing all-
time.Angelo, you are right, Stander caught Shavers in a shocking
upset.Still doesn't explain all the sketchy performances without rematches.
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|9/19/05 01:02:23 PM|Gerry|Cleveland||same||||10|Frazier-Foster, good bout. The
rule with Frazier was get him early or learn to live with the suffering. Foster
could KO Joe early. From Round Three on, I'd take Frazier to pound away at the
large target until he fell or quit.Frazier only lost to the very best.
Thanks.|
|9/19/05 02:42:55 PM|Pete|Cleveland||N/A||||10|Kent, I like Quarry. But the fact
remains Frazier walked through him in both fights. Frazier came out of both
fights unmarked and unscathered. Granted Quarry was tougher than Ellis. But
Jerry was not a difficult fighter for Frazier.Noam, I know how much
Frazier got for the Mathis fight. But, I am going to have some fun. Since you
are an authority (you say that Frazier got considerably less than $175,00).
Noam, tell the board what Frazier got paid for the Mathis fight.Noam,
you mentioned that prior to the Mathis fight Frazier had not fought a ranked
fighter in his last 7 fights. That is interesting as far as it goes. Can you
tell the board the opponents the entrants in the WBA Tournament fought in their
last 7 fights prior to the tournament?|
|9/19/05 03:32:52 PM|Angelo|Washington,
DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Pete:True, styles make fights and Jerry had a
style that was perfect for Frazier to exploit. Jerry wasn't a classic power-
puncher and wasn't "stick and move" like Ali either. In a lot of ways, he was a
guy who mixed it up, like Frazier, except Frazier had a weight advantage and
Frazier also had superhuman endurance---if you couldn't knock Frazier out, he
just got stronger as the fight wore on. As Cosell said, many people believed a
good counter-puncher could give Frazier trouble, and in the first round of their
first fight, that seemed to be the case as Quarry beat Frazier to the punch and
was clearly fighting better. Then Frazier started to smoke. But what's your
point in questioning Noam about the participants in the tournament? The real
issue at hand is that Joe stayed out of the tournament, giving him a free pass.
While these top contenders were cancelling eachother out, he was under the
radar, waiting for the opportunity to beat just one of them. The fact that he
methodically took on participants on HIS time, HIS schedule doesn't diminish the
fact that he skipped the tough part---fighting three times in a row against
ranked fighters with the pressure of an elimination. Good management I guess.
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|9/19/05 04:04:52 PM|Pete|Cleveland||N/A||||10|Angelo, regarding the 1st point
Frazier- Quarry. I don't understand what your point was or what you are writing
about. My thoughts were that Frazier walked right through Quarry and Ellis. both
were finalists in the WBA Tournament. Once in the ring with Frazier neither were
a threat to FrazierRegarding my questioning of Noam, I think Noam can