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his best, was famous for. It was called a "sneaky right" that caught many an
opponent by surprise and it is what put down Oscar Bonevean twice when he fought
Ellis. Joe started smokin big time in the sixth round and he wore Ellis
down on the way to a ninth round stoppage win for a TKO. I haven't seen
the scoring on the fight but it wouldn't surprise me if Ellis still had a slight
lead at the end of the fight or maybe the scorecards were even, he had built up
such an early lead. There could have been some 10 to 8 rounds for Frazier in
the later rounds though.Also, Ellis was a harder puncher than Young and
I am not sure why people paint him as having no punch at all. Bonevena knew he
could punch and Shavers knows it too as Ellis almost had Earnie out on his feet
from punches of his own before Shavers landed the tremendous right uppercut out
of nowhere. If Ellis lands two or three more punches and Shavers doesn't land
the uppercut, we would have had Shavers as the first round knockout victim.|
|3/18/05 06:00:46 PM|Noam|same||same||||10|SteveI agree with you about
women boxers. My view is best put this way. If I was ever lucky enough to be in
the ring with say, Anna Nicole Smith, my priority wouldn't be punching her in
the chest. I'm not suggesting that Joe was ducking her, though. |
|3/18/05 06:41:54 PM|Howard C.|Louisville||howardc@louisville||||10|Kent, let me
get this straight. You're now saying that Frazier fought Ellis the second time
around because Ellis had one last great fight left in him. You're saying it
wasn't because Ellis was less of a risk than Lyle or Shavers or Mac Foster or
Young.I can just imagine the pre-fight discussions. Yank: "Joe, Jimmy
might not have won any of his last four fights, he might have lost to Lyle and
Shavers, and you might have beaten him easily last time, but I think he's got
one last great fight left in him and, although he's more of a risk than the
Acorn and Lyle, he's the better tune up for you. Let's chance it with that
scamboogah."Or, Yank: "You beat Ellis easily last time. He's completely
shot now. If we take the fight to the other side of the planet, in some place
called Malburne, maybe we can sell some tickets to it. It's either that or
putting you in with Lyle or Shavers or Foster or Young or some other guy who is
actually breathing without life support." Kent, by the time Frazier
fought him the second time, Ellis was a hall-of-famer in the Dead Parrot
Society. He'd been admitted years earlier and there were portraits of him
hanging on their meeting room wall. It wasn't meant to be a fight; Joe was
looking for a guy ready for a post mortem and he found one in Ellis.
Period.Yet you Dead Parroters are sticking to your silly beliefs about
Joe not ducking anyone. You're as outdated as that Japanese soldier wandering
aimlessly around the jungles of Bornea thinking that the wars still
going.Setting you guys straight is almost becoming a full time career
for me. Gerri, Forest, what are you guys doing ? Kent needs some help here. |
|3/18/05 07:46:22 PM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|You are right
Howard going into their second fight Ellis seemed like a safer opponent then
Lyle, Foster, or Shavers but as it turned out, Ellis, a former heavyweight
champion, something none of those other fighters can claim, fought very well. I
was just saying, anything can happen in any fight and it turned out to be not as
safe for Joe as it seemed beforehand.Howard, you seem stuck in the
"either or" mentality. There are more possibilities or varibles in a fight (and
in an intellitual argument also) than one way or the other, that just because
one thing is true doesn't always mean something else has to be false. That just
because Ellis appeared to be a very safe opponent going in doesn't mean the
fight turned out that way. Ellis won the first five rounds by boxing well but
eventually Joe caught up to him.I am just pointing out other
possiblities than the conclusions you come up with.Howard, have you ever
heard of a tune up fight taken because of similar styles to the fight someone is
preparing for? That is what the second Ellis fight was intended for, to keep
Joe sharp as he waited for Ali.I also can't see why you are not open to
the possibility of Lyle, who got a title shot before Joe, not taking a possible