January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

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|8/28/03 11:54:24 AM|Carl Weingarten|TJQF||TJQF||||10|It’s always great to see
James Quarry remembered. For recent posters, James was the elder of the Quarry
brothers. James (aka Mr. Jimmy) was also the co-founder of TJQF and posted to
this forum many times. Search the archives and you’ll find his valued insights.
He set the record straight many times. However, I encourage everyone to go to
the home page and play the 1999 WCHE interview with James and his father Jack
Quarry. It’s a great program, and James’ first hand accounts of Jerry’s fights
are priceless. --Carl|
|8/28/03 12:46:17 PM|Forest Ward|South Carolina||joekevin@cs.com||||10|Hey
Tubby, remember Cleveland Williams. His size, strenght and punching power were
awesome. Sonny Liston claims Cleveland Willams was the hardest puncher he ever
faced. Well, about 5 years ago I met Keene Simmons a retired heavyweight
fighter at Ring 8 in NYC. Keene, fought both Marciano, and Cleveland Willams.
I asked Keene who punched harder Rocky or Cleveland Williams. Without the
slightest bit of hesitation he replied Marciano. Cleveland Williams had
Marciano by at least 30 pounds, 5 inches in height, and I am guessing at least
10 inches in reach. And yet Marciano hit harder.|
|8/28/03 12:47:49 PM|steve|n.j.||dmmsrm@comcast.net||||10|Hey
Roadscholarette,what leads you to believe that George Foreman would have been a
puncher on the order of a Bob Foster or Roberto Duran,if he wasn,t,as you say ,
huge.Foreman always looked liked he was throwing "arm punches".They
pulverized his opponents,but even so ,didn't seem to get much tourqe from his
hips or legs.I don't think he would have equated well at a lower body
weight.Rocky,on the other hand,threw every punch from the tips of his toes
through his hips and shoulders.His trainors would make him hit the heavy bag
with his shoelaces tied together to teach him balence.At the end of the
day,however,I'd still have to say that Foreman ,just based on sheer kinetic
energy, probably hit harder than Marciano.I wouldn't pick Rocky over Big George
just based on the old adage,"A good big man allways beats a good little
man,blah,blah,blah.Jeese,I'm starting to boor myself!Broken ribs or not ,there
was just too much size difference.
If anybody around here isn't getting the respect due them, it's Joe Frazier!
People are picking Holmes over Frazier?Could Larry Holmes have kept The Joe
Frazier of the Ali-Frazier fights one or three? Holmes was a watered down
version of Ali.Every knows Ali simply,with all his superior talent,coul NOT keep
smokin'Joe out of his chest! |
|8/28/03 01:51:18
PM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|Steve -The
reason I think Foreman would have been a devastating puncher at any weight has
less to do with size than fundamentals and genetics. Anyone, with practice, can
punch ~harder~, but the Big One is genetic. Combine that with proper
instruction, training, and experience, and you have legends like Foreman. George
used to get excited and arm punch, and you could often see it in his eyes. You
could also see that "Liston look" and at those times, the punches were perfectly
timed, not loopy, and his whole lower body was behind them.Frazier is
such an intense person, he actually has the instinct to be every bit as vocal as
Ali, but without the articulation skills. Joe fought much of his career with eye
problems, especially the left one (which ended Manilla), and of course, we all
know he blew up like a balloon. Ali was always like a man trying to save his
house in a hurricane when they fought, showing bags of tactical tricks to
survive seen in no other fighter. Of course, I know of no other fighter who
presented the devastating ferocity of Frazier. His power, speed, and deadly
rhythm governed the pace of all his fights, with all opponents but Foreman. As
Ali said, it really was close to dying. Frazier was also not as easy to hit as
some people erroneously think. His relentless attack served as a form of
defense, as well as those constantly bobbing shoulders and head. In Manilla, I