January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

his fights, yet you describe him as "one of the toughest fighters of ALL
TIME."You are easily pleased. No wonder you adore Frazier. Compared to
Johnson, Frazier WAS God. :)|
|7/25/05 08:34:51 PM|Angelo|dc||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Kent: I generally
respect your opinion, but rather than accuse Noam and other Frazier skeptics of
exagerrating facts, you should consider the fact that in affect, you are
rationalizing Frazier's lack of top opponents in the 70's. You have an
explanation for every important contender he "missed" and it sounds an awful lot
like rationalizing. Tune-ups, slow-downs, too old, too young, not ready, too
good to fight, bad timing, etc. Everyone else managed to fight eachother but
Frazier slid past the pack. It's old already to talk about how the others
weren't ready for him until he was too old. That's utter nonsense. Ron Lyle
would have fought him at any point after Frazier lost the title and if you think
about it, you know it's true. Shavers took on Quarry---for $75,000 (what they
paid Stiff Jimmy in '75) Shavers would have fought Frazier and Ali on the same
night. It's really bogus to imply that other guys' managements were protecting
them from Frazier, especially after Foreman bounced him around the ring like a
soccer ball. The mystique was over after the third knockdown and it got
downright silly after the fifth one. After the sixth knockdown (in what, five
minutes?) Frazier's cover was blown wide open. It took "careful management" to
protect him from Shavers and Lyle, not the other way around. Also, one last
point, a true great, Ali, came back at an old age to fight a real contender,
Trevor Berbick. Frazier came back to fight Floyd Cummings. I rest my case. |
|7/25/05 09:55:18 PM|steve |nj||na||||10|Massimo,yes,you are being
disrespectful.I don't miss NAM!Why would you ask me such a question?Have I ever
given you the impression that I am a man who would miss or enjoy such an
experiance? I did not bring this obscene subject up again.Mister tough guy
,Les,is just like me.He will keep bringing it up,because he can't let go.|
|7/25/05 09:58:06 PM|Mike Stevens|Ohio||brownss@bright.net||||10|Joe Frazier
would not have any reason to duck anyone....he was a great fighter and great
champion....you can argue his weaknesses but not his heart or determination. Why
duck Lyle or Shavers? Who did THEY ever beat? Neither was in the same class as
Frazier.|
|7/25/05 10:15:13 PM|Steve|nj||na||||10|Angelo,did you ever consider the tax
implications of fighting for five or six figure purses twice in one year? Maybe
there just weren't enough years for everybody to fight everybody in the
seventies.|
|7/25/05 10:21:41 PM|Kent|Murrieta, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Noam, have
you ever seen a live fight? Even the winners get hit and hit hard. Scrap-Iron
Johnson was a step below world class fighters and if you had seen him fight, you
would know how tough he really was and he did hang in tough and hit the better
known fighters hard. If Jerry Quarry was around today, he would set you
straight about Ol Scrap Iron.Was he great? No way! He wasn't even
considered good to a lot of people. But was tough as nails with the heart of a
lion who would fight anybody any time, often with no notice. He was afraid of no
one.I also feel honored that I have met him and no I don't really know
him but he seems like a fine man as well.Noam, to you Scrap Iron Johnson
is just a name on a list, a record. But he was a real fighter, a warrior in his
own right.|
|7/25/05 10:30:30 PM|Kent|Murrieta, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|It is getting
old for Noam to distort things. I said George Johnson was one of the toughest
guys from his time, not all time. Noam can't even get that right.By the
way, 32 of 37 of Frazier's career fights were against fighters with winning
records. A good indicator of the quality of opposition.|
|7/25/05 10:49:19 PM|steve |nj||na||||10|Les,you are an old time cop.You and I
both know I'd kick Frank Rizzo's secretaries's ass.Noam,as Les will tell
you,He's tried to arrest me on numerious occasions,but couldn't pull it