January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

alone was badly injured. I have seen through the years a lot of race car crashes
that looked a lot worse than Earnhardt's fatal crash and often times the driver
gets out of the car and walks away, relatively unharmed.The analogy
holds true to boxing too as punches may not look that strong but we, the
audience are not the people being hit with the punches.|
|8/27/04 06:46:10 AM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|The fact that
Walcott totally lost control of the second Ali-Liston fight made it that much
worse. Liston was on his feet when the fight was stopped because that idiot Nat
Fleischer was yelling at Walcott to stop it because Liston was down for 10
seconds. Fleischer had no authority whatsoever to do that and was there in a
reporting capacity only. Walcott never should have listend to him. This is the
same Fleisher who said that Max Schemeling would have beaten Ali and Frazier and
that either Corbet or Fitzgibbons (I forgot which one) was the second greatest
heavy of all time. |
|8/27/04 07:03:10 AM|steve |NJ||dmmsrm@comcast.net||||10|I will state openely
and honestly one of the reasons I enjoy this site.It's because there are only
about twelve to fifteen solid,sincere,Quarry and other "golden era
heavyweights"I think it's great when we can freely ramble off on tangents.Like
Massimo's shoe size,his theories on physics.Kent's unreasonable,patholocal
hatred for the Eagles.I don't even like bascketball,but I still read the posts
without commemt.To the web crawlers who come here and test the waters.Their
trying to see how much control and manipulation they can exercise.Once in a
while we'll get some guy on here who you can tell could be a for real
contributor.These guys we should encourage to stay.Instead of watching guys like
Forrest Ward get so insulted by some double talking nonsence from a crawler like
Timina that He feel he has to explain his credentials to him. |
|8/27/04 07:32:42 AM|steve |nj||dmmsrm@comcast.net||||10|It seems pretty hard to
make an arguement that Liston wasn't mob controlled.Still, even if he wasn't,he
was an old ,dissipatted fighter by the time he fought Ali.I base my description
of his condition on two facts.He didn't even know how old he was ,he could
easily have been forty!!! Second, if he was using Herion at any time in his
career,then he was dissipatted beyond any hope of being a great fighter.One more
comment,and I'll give you guys an eye break.I think this group we have here was
exceedingly lucky and priviliged to have lived through the Ali vs Frazier-1,and
the "THRILLA-IN- MANILLA!|
|8/27/04 07:35:47 AM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Clay-Liston
II> Agreed, poor officiating by the referee. It reminds me of Quarry-Frazier
II. when Joe Louis was in way over his head and seemed to have no idea what he
was doing. Kent, your analogy of short punches compared to Earnhardt's crash
makes sense to me. I remember seeing the wreck (which looked more like a bump)
while watching the race at a friend's house. It was at the end of the race, so
we changed the channel. Driving home, I heard the report on the radio that
Earnhardt was dead and I couldn't believe what I was hearing---it was like a
dream sequence. As for Foreman-Moorer, that was a short punch but when you
watch the replay, it's very clear that the punch lands flush and crisply, right
on the button. Watch Moorer's legs when the punch makes impact---they start to
collapse as his head jerks. It's a perfect short punch thrown by one of the
best hitters in boxing history. As a big Muhammad Ali fan, even I have to admit
that Clay-Liston II. isn't nearly as convincing to me. I don't see power at the
point of impact, and the punch looks more glancing than flush. Angelo Dundee
says that where the punch landed is what's important---again, right on the
button to put Liston out. My guess is that technically, the fight wasn't fixed,
but maybe Liston didn't feel like getting stung over and over for the entire
night and took it as an opportunity to take a pay day the easy way. I honestly
don't know. I hate to accuse Liston of taking a dive in this manner and I'm not
big on conspiracy theories that the fight was fixed by the mob or by radical
Islamic groups, as has been hypothisized. It's a mystery to me why the fight