January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

who were also his sparring partners. (I'm being cynical, guys, I know he fought
them).Look, all these excuses are black belt dumb. Fairies at the bottom
of the garden stuff. Blaming Yank's dog for eating the fight contracts is more
plausible.By the way, I hear Simon and Garfunkel are doing a remake.
It's called 'Fifty Ways to Duck a Puncher'. I wonder who that's about. Kent can
write the lyrics.|
|2/27/05 10:10:41 PM|Howard C.|Louisville||howardc@louisville||||10|I get it. So
Joe didn't fight all those punchers because his managers told him not to. Thank
God other managers aren't like his. There'd never be a risky fight. Shavers and
Lyle would never have got a fight against anyone.Ultimately, Massimo,
Joe was in charge. The buck stops with him. Even with his managers protecting
him as much as they did, even with him ducking punchers, even with him fighting
a washed-up Ellis instead of Norton or Shavers or Lyle, Joe still only won two
of his last six fights.Anyway, Massimo, Joe blames his managers for
making those decisions as to who he fought and who he didn't fight. He would,
wouldn't he. What else did you expect him to say.|
|2/28/05 06:55:08 AM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|The buck stops with him ? What does
it mean ? I thought my American Slang was good ! It ain't good yet, I guess ! I
couldn't understand that sentence not even by using my Italian-English,English-
Italian dictionary. However, a part (from) that sentence I have understood what
you meant, Howard C. ! You are not wrong.|
|2/28/05 08:02:07 AM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Massimo:
Most of us Americans don't know how American slang origniated either! As for
"The buck stops here." that might have been coined by Teddy Roosevelt? The
buck stops at my desk! I know what it means---translated, it sort of means "I'm
the decision maker, it gets sorted out and decided on by me." but honestly, I
don't know if my history is right that Teddy Roosevelt came up with it. Guys,
help me out---how did this phrase get its start? Anyway, it did seem as though
Ali called his own shots at least a little more than Frazier did. Ali's image
was the black maverick who challenged the system. He played himself off as the
proud man who would stand up to authority and fight. He also used this angle to
gain support in the black community while characterizing Joe Frazier the "Uncle
Tom" who pandered to white folks. I truly believe that Ali started this as a
way to create the rivalry and sell tickets. Again, he was playing the part of
villian, mimmicking pro wrestling/Gorgeous George in a sort of reality series!
He saw that it got to Frazier and he kept it up. As big a fan as I am of Ali, I
don't think it was fair to Frazier to stir the black community against him at
the time. The Civil Rights movenment had gone through riots/assasinations, etc.
and Joe Frazier was just a boxer trying to put food on the table and give his
family a better life. He didn't want to get thrust into something like that.
On the other hand, this drama sure made a lot of fortune and fame for both guys.
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|2/28/05 08:23:24 AM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|massimo, the
buck stops here means a person has to take responsiblility for one's own
actions.U.S. president Harry Truman used to say "the buck stops here"
and he was talking about the fact that he had to make the final decision on all
issues and no one else.an ex champion gets first consideration of
fighting for the title again before other fighters. Example, if Lennox Lewis
wanted to come back now, no one would object to him getting a shot right away.
Even Mike Tyson, even though he has lost two fights recently, would only have to
beat one leading contender to get a shot.Frazier was given this
opportunity after losing the title of beating the leading available contender
Quarry, which he did to get his shot. Howard C, anwser why for example
Earnie Shavers in 1974 to 1975 deserved to fight Frazier in a title elimination
with Frazier, never mind the argument that Frazier avoided sluggers. Leave Lyle,
Norton, and others out of this one. This question is about Shavers
only.In 1974, Shavers had lost to Quarry in Dec. 73, Bob Stallings,