January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

IS COOL JERRY QUARRY'S SON, JONATHAN, JOINS US ON THIS BOARD AND HE WANTED TO
KNOW WHAT WE THOUGHT ABOUT THAT RECENT FIGHT.I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE AVID
BOXING FANS SO AT LEAST SOME OF YOU MUST HAVE SEEN THAT FIGHT. HOW ABOUT
RESPONDING TO JONATHAN'S COMMENTS. SO FAR I AM THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS.|
|10/15/05 07:00:28 PM|Noam|same||same||||10|I didn't see the Jones v Tarver
fight, but rematches rarely overturn the first fight result. Usually the loser
of the first fight is a bigger loser in the rematch (especially with guys like
Marciano). I wonder whether Jones paid the price for playing games with his
metabolism - moving up and down in weights - perhaps aided by medicinal
substances, that did his body no good.Willard - I don't know of anyone
on this site who doesn't acknowledge that Frazier's win over Ali was his
crowning achievement and well deserved. Joe was great in that fight. However, it
is appropriate to consider the effects that the three years plus out of the ring
had on Ali. Perhaps he should have had another fight under his belt to remove
the ring rust before fighting Joe. My guess is that he probably would have lost
anyway. Let's consider the reverse. Frazier is out of the ring for 3.5
years and Ali wasn't. They fight. Who would win ? Ali would, in my opinion.
And if Ali was never stripped of his title, I don't think Joe would ever
have been the champion. In that event Joe's best wins would have been over
Quarry or Ellis. The Vietnam War, some of us believe, had its effects in many
ways.Something else to consider, too, Williard. That fight against Ali
was not easy for Joe. He spent time in hospital and had 11 months off before
fighting Daniels and Stander - two unranked guys. After a year off Joe needed
two VERY easy tune ups. How would he have coped with over THREE years off
!Well, Ali had 3.5 years off. His tune ups ? October 1970 he fought the
4th ranked Quarry. Six weeks later he fought the 3rd ranked Bonavena (I'm using
the Ring's annual rankings). Three months later he fights Frazier, the
champion.So, after 3.5 years off, Ali fought the champion and the 3rd
and 4th ranked guys in the space of only 19 weeks (133 days). Every six weeks he
fought the toughest in the world. He confidently backed his ability and there
were no easy Stander or Daniels type tune ups for him, even after 3.5 years off.
With Ali's career, unlike careers of others, there are only two 'woulda,
coulda, shoulda' type questions. What 'woulda' happened if Ali was never
stripped of his title ? And what 'woulda' happened in a rematch with Foreman ?
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|10/16/05 03:14:50 PM|Willard|Florida||Larc@aol.com||||10|Frazier didn't duck
anyone. He fought Quarry over Lyle because Quarry beat Lyle. I don't see the
point of him fighting Norton, because Frazier repeatedly KO'd Norton in
sparring. The fight wouldn't be that good. And finally, if Frazier ducks
fighters, why would he go and get whooped by Foreman AGAIN?|
|10/16/05 04:34:30 PM|Noam|same||same||||10|That's a debate that's been had time
and again, Willard, and neither side shifts ground. If we haven't been able to
alter opinions with all the hot air of the debate thus far, it's a waste of
breath trying again. Where some see smoke, others see ducks behind the
smokescreen. |
|10/16/05 06:58:03 PM|Howard C.|Louisville||howardc@louisville||||10|Welcome
Wilard. We've become a tolerant society here with a diversity of views where we
all respect each other. There were rough patches in the past, with all of us
contributing to that situation, but happily we are trying harder to get on. I'm
enjoying it more. You say that Joe had to fight Quarry instead of Lyle
because Jerry beat Lyle. That rule is too simplistic. Lyle and Shavers beat
Ellis, yet Joe fought Ellis a second time. Sam Wyatt beat Zyglewicz. Joe faced
Zyglewicz, not Wyatt. Jimmy James Rossette beat Doyle. Joe fought Doyle instead.
Zora Folley twice beat Davis. Henry Cooper beat Davis. Joe fought Davis instead
of Cooper and Folley. The list grows and suddenly, before our eyes, the rule
becomes the exception. You also say that Frasier cleaned Norton up
sparring and that's why they didn't fight. Joe doesn't use that as an