January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

|9/17/02 08:12:48 AM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|EVREN: Regarding
black fighters Louis ducked: in 1942 alone, Jimmy Bivins defeated Bob Pastor,
Lee Savold, Tami Mauriello, GusLevenvich, and Joey Maxim. Thats not
enoughto rate a tile shot? I rest my case.|
|9/17/02 08:30:14 AM|Evren|London||@||||10|That is one fighter - Louis beat him
in '51 when both were old anyway. You can argue that most fighters in any era
'ducked' certain challengers. |
|9/17/02 09:54:48 AM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|EVREN: Who did
Frazier or Holmes duck?ditto Ali.|
|9/17/02 11:14:44 AM|Evren|London||@||||10|I don't think Ali or Frazier ducked
anyone. Holmes you could argue Pinklon Thomas, Tim Witherspoon (rematch). I
agree that Louis had poor opponents as did Larry. Ali and Frazier met them all
between them.|
|9/17/02 12:52:18 PM|Bob Bumbera|NC||renfbera@aol.com||||10|Joe did duck Jimmy
Bivins, Archie Moore maybe, Charley Burley was too small to fight Louis. Ezzard
Charles was avoided for a couple of years. But Joe was old and soft by then.
All of these guys were too young for Louis to fight during his prime years 1937-
1941. Not a lot of great black heavies of that era, at least no one Louis
couldn't handle. Besides, there was no money in two black guys fighting for the
heavyweight title. No one would back a fight like that in 1940. White people
liked Joe Louis, if Joe lost to another black fighter and didn't regain the
title he would have never been forgiven and blacks would not have been given the
chance at the title. Lose to a white guy and Joe is still a hero and we have
our Great White Hope. As for Ali, Holmes and Frazier. Frazier has the worst
record here. After "The Fight", Frazier fought Terry Daniels and Ron Stander,
Stander KO'ed Shavers to get the title shot. I don't know where Daniels came
from or where he went after he got out of the hospital. Those two were not
world beaters. Ali, on the other hand fought 9 times including Mac Foster,Blue
Lewis,Euro Champ Jurgen Blin, Bob Foster. Maybe Frazier was taking it easy for
a couple of fights while Ali went right to work. Holmes fought every one out
there at the time. He didn't duck anyone. They may not have been the greatest
bunch of fighters, but no worse than some and far better most. I still don't
think he lost to Spinks. I think it was a bad decision.|
|9/17/02 12:55:33 PM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|I agree that
Holmes got robbed against Spinks -- and the rematch decision was even worse. As
for Louis, as an up and coming young fighter, I don't think he bused a gut
trying to get a fight with Leroy Haynes who twice knocked out Carnera.|
|9/17/02 02:02:48 PM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||oriononside@aol.com||||10|Larry Holmes
fought almost every major contender of his era with the exception of Thomas, who
has been mentioned, Greg Page, and Gerrie Coetzee. The bout with Coetzee was
supposedly set when Coetzee was briefly WBA champion, but it never came off. As
memory serves me, I think one of the fighters was injured in training. I am not
sure why Holmes never fought Page.|
|9/17/02 02:37:02 PM|Joe Krause|Chicago||sadmspats@yahoo.com||||10|Frazier took
two easy fights as champ. However he never really "dodged" anyone. He fought
Foreman when told not to. He also fought a who's who list of heavyweights in
the late 60's. Look on Boxrec.com and see the records and opponents he fought.
He went through them all except Liston who nobody wanted anything to do with.|
|9/17/02 02:44:44 PM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|As far as
Frazier's two "easy fights" I assume you mean Stander and Daniels. Stander
KO'dShavers and I would match him up againstANY of Louis' bum of the
month club boys and bet on Stander to win. Frazier was VERY goodand probably
great.|
|9/17/02 08:10:42 PM|charles anderson|ark.||ctjjandfam@aol.com||||10|was quarry-
lyle on espn classic? i have never seen it and it was one of the fights i really
wanted to see. was that clancy's first time in jerry's corner?|
|9/17/02 09:33:28 PM|Steve|N.J.||dmmsrm@comcast.net||||10|Ken,I recieved e-mail