January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

selection" (Noam, instead of dwelling on the guys Frazier didn't "touch gloves
with" and notice I didn't use the offensive term, "duck" instead, we need to
stay positive and politically correct by looking at the glass half full---the
guys Frazier DID take on, including battle scarred Ellis in '75). I will use
the term "Smart Management Opponent Selection" as the positive term to describe
Yank's "tuner" against Jimmy Ellis. Even the commentators talked about Ellis'
1-4-1 record coming in. The whole scene was surreal. It was broad daylight
(probably so the fight would be prime time in North America???), it was held
outside under a canopy, in a small venue. As such, you could see buildings in
the background. There wasn't much of a crowd, and they were very close to the
action, yet a lot of them were viewing the fight through binoculars, which I
also found odd (given how close they were to the ring). Maybe binoculars were a
hot item in '75. I used to bring them to baseball games all the time. One
thing that I had all but forgotten is that Ellis was NOT knocked down in the
fight. He finished on his feet, but was absorbing punches like a live punching
bag. Dundee had seen enough and Ellis' corner stopped it. Kent---a final point
on Shavers-Frazier. I stand by my assertion that if anyone avoided anyone here,
it was Frazier's camp steering clear of Shavers. I go back to the most basic,
most practical reasoning, which is that over a period of about 4-5 years, most
of these guys we've been discussing fought against eachother, like a round robin
tourney. Missing was Frazier. It doesn't make sense to me that management
would stick Shavers in with Quarry ('73) and Lyle ('75), but not with Frazier at
any time between '72 and '76. Once again, over his career, Shavers took on
Quarry, Lyle, Ali, Holmes, Norton, Young, Bernardo Mercado for crying out loud.
Some of these fights were before Frazier retired, others after he retired. If
you run down a list of fights for these opponents (not including Mercado),
you'll find that in many cases, at some point, they fought against eachother,
and against Foreman too. Frazier did fight Quarry and he was 1-2 against Ali.
Kent, say what you will about his "style" shortening his career. He had under
40 fights and "carefully selected" around the big hitters. He was "carefully
manuevered" to stay out of the heavyweight tournament and the gang that would
become the WBC (gee, how much integrity did Jose Suliman have when he led the
WBC) invented a title for him to win. Essentially, he avoided the hard knocks
of three consecutive fights in that tournament and fought Ellis and Quarry on
his terms. Hooray for "smart management." Lots of fighters in history have had
straight ahead styles that result in being hit to come in and deliver and it's
never been an excuse for ducking an opponent. When you're fighting once or
twice a year, you ought not to be taking on Terry Daniels or a mummified Jimmy
Ellis----at least not if you expect history to judge you as an all-time great.
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|7/11/05 08:52:42 AM|Fan|Fandom||Fan@Fandom.com||||10|Noam, Earnie Shavers
retired for 5 months after losing to Jerry. From the period between 1974-1975
Earnie was a complete non-entity.|
|7/11/05 09:25:04 AM|Forest Ward|NYC||NYC||||10|Norm aka Howard C. Quit the BS.
You and Howard C are one in the same. Any fool can see that. You know little
about boxing. You interpret facts and records to suit your own purposes. You
ignore questions that are put to you as a result of your unfounded remarks, and
then you have Howard C agree with your ideas, and jump to your defense as a way
to give your remarks credibilty, and answer the questions you refuse to answer.
You do this all the time to Kent.Norm baby, you are the one that brought
these posts down into the gutter. Calling me an alcoholic, a homosexual, a
jailbird. I think you also made remarks that I was a pedophile. So don't try and
pretend you are some innocent victim above the fray. Personally, I believe you
are projecting your own pschological problems on me. Norm baby, your bully
tactics will never work with me Norm the so called boxing expert. Who
remarks that Rocky Marciano "rarely" punched to the body. Who else agrees with
that remark?Norm baby, I have been on this board for 5 years. A punk