January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

proud heritage of tough as nails fighters in many divisions. Only one
heavyweight champion after Carnera, but Marciano was in a truly elite
group.Some guys who aren't of championship caliber might rank as high or
higher than many champions, since they don't have the skills to avoid ferocious
punishment from really good boxers, yet don't quit.|
|1/6/04 12:59:18 PM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Massimo, in
the past, managers, promoters, and officials cared less about the fighters. The
further in time we go back, the less they cared about them. Just because Canera
fought in a tough era and had people who didn't care about him around him, who
just cared about making money, doesn't mean that because Eddie Futch cared about
Frazier that Frazier is a chump, as you say. Frazier would have fought on
through the same kind of adversity that Canera did, if given a choice. Both
Canera and Frazier were/are brave men. Muhammad Ali for that matter also has the
heart of a lion. Ali was in much better shape after the fight in Manila
than Frazier was but if he did collaspe after the fight, that is understandable
as it was one of the most brutal, toughest heavyweight title fights of all
time.|
|1/6/04 02:39:26 PM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|Kent-I have never said or
thought that Frazier wasa chump, I should be crazy to say something like
that ! Joe Frazier was the second bravest fighter of all time...|
|1/6/04 03:51:44 PM|Paul|Australia||PlMls4@aol.com||||10|Hi Kent - when exactly
did Ali collapse after the third fight against Frazier ? It certainly wasn't at
the end of the 14th or before the 15th would have started as the video clearly
shows him standing up unassisted from his chair when it was announced that
Frazier's corner had pulled the plug. The referee obviously had no concerns
about Ali's condition as he did not assist him back to his corner at the end of
the 14th. Instead, the ref assisted Frazier to his corner. We can therefore
safely assume that Ali was ready to go for the 15th and final round. We can all
debate the state of the cards at the finish (as people have done with the
Leonard - Hagler fight). But the referee and two judges had Ali in front and the
ref certainly seemed sympathetic to Joe. In the second round he warned Ali for
holding and that was to address Joe's complaints about the holding in the second
fight. So there was not much holding in the third fight and that excuse was
removed. Cheers.|
|1/7/04 01:51:19 AM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|No, Ali did
not collaspe in the ring at all. I am not sure he did afterward at any point. I
was saying if he did, with if being the key word here, it is understandable as
it was a very tough fight. Again, if it happened, it would have to have been in
the dressing room. Massimo is the one who said he collasped, not me.|
|1/7/04 03:09:34 AM|Paul|Sydney, Australia||PlMls4@aol.com||||10|Thanks, Kent.
It was so damn hot in that fight that you couldn't blame anyone for collapsing
from heat exhaustion. I looked closely at the video and never saw Ali collapse.
I've heard people speak of it, but none have specified when it allegedly
happened. From memory, I think that Frazier said in his book that he had "heard"
that Ali collapsed, however he didn't expand on that. Not that it matters, but I
don't think Ali did collapse. It's extremely hot in Sydney at the moment and
I'll collapse walking down to get the newspaper. I will need a beer to revive
me. Imagine fighting 14 rounds in oppressive heat like Frazier and Ali did.
Maybe Ali was a little more used to it than Frazier after his fight with Foreman
in Zaire. We can all have views on their skills as boxers, but there is no
doubting their courage. Cheers. |
|1/7/04 07:27:07 AM|mark sargeant|london,
uk||mark_sargeant2003@yahoo.co.uk||||10|On the last debate of Ali's 'collapse',
each argument has its merits. Ali didn't collapse before or for minutes after
the fight ended, BUT just before he gave an interview to Don Durphy and Elijah
Muhammad came up with some praise for Frazier, he DID momentarily collapse and
had to be helped back onto a stool-just lasted a few seconds but it did happen.