January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

ight, but it's completely Mickey Mouse. If you look at the sequence of punches
that put Foreman down, you'll notice that only one is what could be called a
hard punch, and even that was nothing to write home about. The rest were arm
punches, most thrown while slightly off balance and out of position.BTW,
the befuddled Jersey Joe was way out of line to ~not~ let Ali-Liston 2 continue,
simply because Nat Fleischer told him more than 10 seconds had gone by. The
correct response, even if this was true would have been to go ahead anyway. A
call was made and action had resumed. |
|12/5/03 02:24:49 PM|Massimo|Rome||4||||10|Steve-I have a boxing tape
entitled " THE 12 GREATEST ROUND OF BOXING THE UNTOLD STORIES" in which Tom
Hauser ( the author of " MUHAMMAD ALI' HIS LIFE AND TIMES" says that Williams
after the first Liston fight in the dressing room had a lot of trouble seeing.
The same thing happened to Eddie Machen.|
|12/5/03 02:31:31 PM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|The phantam
punch is a topic that comes up over and over again and yes, there was a punch.
Liston appeared off balance and he went down. Liston lunged forward while
attempting to hit Ali with a left jab. He didn't get up before ten, not because
he was hurt, but because Ali was standing over him and yelling at him. Ali then
was running all around and Walcott didn't have control of the situation. I
think Liston may have thought Ali really was crazy and he would attack him while
he was down. The correct thing for Walcott to do was not start the count until
Ali went to a neutral corner. Yes, Walcott should have let the fight continue.
As far as Ali as a fighter, I have never seen a heavyweight who is
better. Ali had the speed of a lightweight, in both hand and foot speed, he had
extremly quick reflexes and the heart of a lion. As far as usuing tactics such
as holding, he used what he was allowed to use. If the officials had been more
critical of not allowing him to hold, then Ali would have come up with some
other tactic to help him win. Ali was a great improviser in the ring and he
would adapt to any situation. He was a genius in the mental as well as
physical aspects of the game. If you notice in Jerry's second fight with Ali,
near the end of the second round, Jerry hits Ali with a hard left hook and right
cross combination to the head. Ali play acts like he is hurt by wobbling at the
legs, much to the delight of the fans. I am sure he probably told Jerry
something like, "my grandmother hits harder than that!" Jerry didn't seem to
press the action anymore after this. Did Ali get into Jerry's head? I think
this added to whatever the reason was that Jerry just didn't have it that night.
The real Jerry would not just slowly plod after his opponent, win or lose, like
he did for most of this second Ali fight. Ali did the same thing to Foreman in
Zaire, because after taking some hard shots from Foreman, Ali would say things
like, "George, you punch like a sissy!" This sort of thing has to take energy
from a fighters pyschogical energy. |
|12/5/03 04:41:10
PM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|Yes, fighters do
what is allowed, even if some are more allowed than others. In hockey, you can
fight, it's condoned with a wink and a nod, even though you do get a rinky-dink
penalty doing it. If players were fined ten, twenty thousand dollars and
suspended for three games, it'd stop yesterday. In football, a sport second only
to boxing in contact and brutality, you ~can't~ fight, so no one does. Same with
basketball. In amateur hockey, you can't either. Not in Olympic hockey either,
and these are basically pros. I always liked the Mexican fighters. No
grabbing and clinching, lying on the ropes, just furious action, fights of
attrition.Interesting bit of trivia re hockey. When X Chicago Blackhawk
star Keith Magnuson first came into the NHL, he couldn't fight at all. He was a
superb hockey player, but in fights, he threw wimpy punches, and was always
falling down and getting beaten up, so they took him down to then Johnny
Coulon's gym. He soon became one of the best enforcers on ice. Now they scout
players for ability to fight and throw punches, while maintaining leverage,