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equal talent, each with brief reigns and remarkable transformations, though
Bowe's was not for the positive. Guys, in discussing Foreman, how can you call
this guy who was champ for just a short time one of the Top Ten when so many
others dominated for much longer in their eras? He was a titanic puncher yes,
but not a boxer, a great guy absolutely and fun to listen to, in short segments.
But,like with JQ, we might need to reel in the respect a bit.|
|12/18/03 04:04:14 AM|Paul|Sydney, Australia||PlMls4@aol.com||||10|I recall
Foreman once saying that Tyson's handlers should let him out of his cage every
once in a while to perform a loop-the-loop before putting him back in the cage.
My memory is that Foreman (2) was pushing hard for a fight with Tyson, but
Tyson's management (led by Don King) refused to work with Foreman. It is odd
that the fight never happened because Tyson was the devil and Foreman was
extremely popular and it would have been huge money. Tyson might night have been
coherent enough to duck anyone, but his management were (even though Tyson
probably would have beat Foreman (2)). |
|12/18/03 06:45:14 AM|Massimo|Rome||4||||10|Gerry-Foreman lost the title
early because he fought a super-motivated Ali', if not I think he would have
kept the title for a long time ! I don't agree that Big George couldn' t boxe,
if you watch Foreman-Frazier 2, Foreman-Chuvalo and Foreman-Norton you see a
good boxer. His left jab, for istance, was a very good weapon.Paul-
I have read that in his youth Tyson watched over and over again Foreman-
Frazier 1 with Cus D' Amato and both were very impressed by Foreman ! I think
that that fight is very scaring and I would not be surprised at all if Iron Mike
didn't want part of Foreman... |
|12/18/03 11:11:55
AM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|George could
definitely box! Better than Ali, as a matter of fact. Ali did many things wrong,
and was only able to accomplish what he did in the ring because of his speed in
career one, and ability to take a punch (along with some speed) in career two.
George's fundamentals are often overlooked because of his brutal
power.George vs Tyson in career two would probably result in a Foreman
loss by UD. Tyson was too mobile. However, if George caught him, it'd have been,
"Down goes Tyson, down goes Tyson..." etc. George fought 34 times in career two,
losing only three times (Holyfield, Morrison, and Briggs). Pretty decent for a
45 year old!Hypothetical fights are always fun, and I like talking about
them as much as anyone, but in terms of real stuff, there isn't a champion in
any time who wouldn't have been lucky to take a prime George Foreman (I don't
count Ali, since that fight was fixed, IMO).|
|12/18/03 11:46:53 AM|Massimo|Rome||4||||10|RS-I don't agree with you
regarding Ali'-Foreman. Ihave recently seen that fight again and Ali'
deserves credit for that performance ! He fought a great fight and outboxed
George. I think the fight was very close after 7 rounds. I have even heard that
the loose ropes weren't Dundee's faultbut a will of the local organizators.
On the contrary, when Angelo Dundee discovered that the ropes were loose he
informed the local organizators, but they didn't care... Foreman said that one
of the body punch he hit Ali' withwas the hardest punch he had ever thrown
and that any other fighter would have collapsed to the canvas !|
|12/18/03 01:19:42
PM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|There's no doubt
that Ali's ability to take punches, whether to the head or body, was his
greatest asset. Even back in the old "float like a butterfly" days, before
anyone realized this, it becomes clear in retrospect that while his speed was
very useful against his (far lesser than in career two) opponents, his
undiscovered durability kept him in fights that were at the time assigned to his
quickness. In career two, his rock hard head was essential, both because he'd
slowed down some, but also because of the tougher boxers he faced. Without his
gift of punch-worthiness, Ali would have been just another showy speedball,