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fight were capable of knocking him out because they punched harder, the Dead
Parroters move onto a new excuse.Kent, my eyes were wide open in
disbelief when Frazier fought Ellis the second time. Ellis was entirely shot.
Hanging upside down from his perch. Yet Joe fought him instead of Norton or Lyle
or Shavers or Mac Foster.Fighting Ellis at that stage of his career was
like shooting Lassie, or stabbing Santa Claus at Christmas, or spraying
graffitti on the Van Crapp family home (they were the family in the Sound of
Music movie).Not sure the Van Crapp analogy hit the mark, but you know
what I mean. |
|3/20/05 03:55:03 PM|Massimo |Roma||4||||10|I have a tape of Joe Frazier vs
Ernie "Clay" Terrell, it's very rare ! Maybe I have the only copy of that tape
in the wordl !I think that it is just too painful for many of us to admit
that Joe Frazier was a bum ! It's like admitting (or to admit) that Wilt was a
bum !|
|3/20/05 04:18:11 PM|Noam|same||same||||10|Howard, I wish you wouldn't bring me
into it. While I'm here though, could you clarify something for me. You
previously said that Joe was nearly a shot fighter after the first fight against
Ali. Now you say that Ellis was totally shot by the time of the second Frasier
fight.It follows, therefore, that in the second Ellis fight, we had an
almost dead parrot versus a totally dead parrot. That is the logic of your
argument.I still don't understand who the Van Crap family is. Does it
have something to do with the mafia ? Was Mr Crap a made guy or the Don ? |
|3/20/05 04:40:20 PM|Fan|Fandom||Fan@Fandom.com||||10|I started thuis whole
Frazier debate by posting that Ali fans don't like Joe Frazier. They still hold
a grudge for beating Ali in '71. They make some valid points, but really it's
all just opinion. I have seen all his fights and know what he was compared to
other fighters. He was a great fighter with a short shelf life. He was truly
great at his peak. Joe is often ridiculed for many different reasons and many
have been brought up here..|
|3/20/05 07:21:44 PM|Kent |La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Fan you are
right, it is real only just our opinions but the Frazier critics speak as if
what they say is fact and the only possible interpretation of the information.
I will admit that it is possible Frazier avoided some of the people in question
but I have also given reasons why this may not be so yet Howard, especially,
refuses to entertain more than one conclusion.His esoteric analogy about
the "dead poets society" works both ways. He could be the one believeing there
is only one way to see things, that the parrot is still alive, in this case that
the only interpretation is his interpretation, when in fact one than one
conclusion is very possible.If I got the meaning of his "dead poet's"
comment wrong, it is because I have never seen or read it. |
|3/20/05 08:59:14 PM|Howard
C.|Louisville||howardc@louisville||||10|KentI wrote of the DEAD PARROT
SOCIETY, not the dead poet's society. That's your problem. You see things you
THINK are there, instead of seeing what ACTUALLY is.You see what you
desperately want to believe is a live parrot, while everyone else sees a parrot
hanging upside down from his perch, hasn't eaten for years, eyes glazed open,
doesn't fly or chirp. Dead as a dodo. But you don't see that.Same with
Frazier after the first Ali fight. Same with Standers and Daniels. And
especially the same with Ellis (number 2). They were all dead or almost dead but
you don't want them to be, so you won't admit that they were. Hence the
Dead Parrot Society. FanI don't hate Frazier. Far from it. I
just came into the debate to debunk the snivelling reverence with which he is
treated by the Dead Parroters despite the obvious holes in his
resume.Joe had one great night. Against Ali in 1971. He hit those
heights fueled by hatred. Joe couldn't rise to that level again. There's no
hatred in those comments. Just a cold, hard assessment of the facts.The
same facts that the Dead Parroters want expunged from his record. For example,