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prove something to himself ( Balboa did the same when fought Clubber Lang the
second time). And I think his second loss to Foreman was dignified, he did
pretty well in rounds 2 and 4. If Ali' had a better chin than Frazier, Joe was a
better puncher than Ali'. If we are criticizing Frazier, what should we say
about Tyson ? He fought once a year or even less for most of his career and when
he came back, he did step into the ring with the likes of Peter McNeeley, Bruce
Seldon, Julius Francis, Lou "Brave" Savarese and Clifford "The Warrior" Etienne.
Joe Frazier was involved in so many exciting fights and I, as a boxing fan, am
very thankful. |
|2/16/05 02:28:11 AM|Howard C.|Louisville||howardc@louisville||||10|I can't
agree, Massimo and Steve. Frazier spaced his fights and avoided the bangers that
he didn't have to fight. Anyway, some allege that Joe has some of his toughest
fights out of the ring against women. The fact that an allegation like that was
even made is sad. |
|2/16/05 03:27:29 AM|Massimo |Roma||4||||10|Howard C.-I was only (or just)
talking about Frazier as a fighter in the ring. I think Joe Frazier fought some
good bangers, Bonavena, Mel Turnbow, Quarry and Chuvalo were all good bangers,
even if they weren't all time greats for punching power.When a guy is
accused of having done something, at 90 % he is guilty. This is what I think and
what I learnt during my life. If somebody accuses an innocent, very very often
the innocent can bring on the table hundreds of proofs of his innocence. Nobody
ever accused Mother Theresa of(or for) something. I agree about that, it is very
sad that Frazier is, at 90%, a women beater. |
|2/16/05 03:33:24 AM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenen@aol..com||||10|I think some
of the people here may have been too young to remember the 70s period well. It
is why some of them tbink Frazier avoided Lyle and Shavers.That he
avoided them is like saying, if Lennox Lewis makes a comeback nowadays, that he
would have to fight someone like Samuel Peter, a young powerful up and coming
but unproven slugger, before he could get a shot at Vitali Klitschko.
Lewis being a former champion would get the luxury of even if he had to
have a fight to get a shot at the title in a comeback to only have to fight the
very top rated contender. He would not have to work his way back up again.
Lewis might even not have to face a contender first. As I said, ex champions
have a privledged position they earned by winning the title.Lyle and
Shavers, before 1975, were considered like Peter is now as having potential but
below the upper level of the division. We as fans didn't think they deserved to
fight Frazier for a title shot and they are much better known now than they were
then and also Joe, as an ex champion, should just have to fight the top
available contender, Quarry, to get a shot, which he did.Nobody today
would say that Lewis, even if at times he has shown a chin that is not the best,
would have to face Peter to get a shot. |
|2/16/05 04:25:38 AM|Noam|same||same||||10|My view is that if someone isn't
charged with something, then they are entitled to a presumption that they are
innocent. It troubles me that an allegation about bashing a woman was made
against Frazier, but he wasn't charged with it. So we should move on from
that.Something else. Frazier is around 60 years of age. To my knowledge,
he's never been convicted of anything. He's certainly not a thief. I've never
heard of him being involved in road rage. Joe hasn't been to jail for rape or
even accused of it (unlike Tyson). Although I firmly believe that
Frazier is overrated as a boxer, and while I disagree with his comments about
Ali, I know of no stains against him as a human being. In fact, if we had a
world full of guys like Frazier (and Ali and Lewis and Louis and Holyfield - but
not Liston and Tyson) we wouldn't need police forces or armies. That's
makes Joe a good guy in a world full of very bad ones. I've slung off at Joe for
the bashing allegation from the woman, but I shouldn't have and I won't do that
again.Some interesting facts. These are the winning statistics for
fighters we often talk about:1)Marciano, 100%2)Louis,