January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

mypreceding message about Primo Carnera !!|
|7/30/03 05:29:26 AM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||oriononside@aol.com||||10|Massimo, no
one here has said Canera was weak. In fact he was very strong. But being
strong does not make someone a good boxer. He just didn't have the skills to
compete with Joe Louis, Max Baer, and probably Max Schmeling, if the two of them
ever fought. I feel he got lucky against Jack Sharkey when he won the title. I
have that knockout on a tape and the final punch looks like an elbow or a
forearm, not an uppercut he is credited with. Apparently the referee didn't see
the illegal punch when he counted Sharkey out. Sharkey would have beaten Canera
most of the time and he did defeat Canera once before the title
bout.Don't worry about your english writing skills. You write very well
in english.One thing that can't be argued is that Canera was a brave
fighter. He showed a lot of courage in his losses to Baer and Louis.|
|7/30/03 06:27:13 AM|Massimo|Rome||Massimo.Cini@roma2.infn.it||||10|Mister Kent,
thank you very much for all ! Youcould' t convince me completely ! If he
could'tboxe, how he beat on points Tommy Loughran, one of the most gifted
boxers ofthat time ? And Joe Louis after their fightsaid:" He could't
punch, but he had a pretty good left jab ".Unfortunately I never had
thechance to watch one of his fights and so... This doubt is not going to
let me ! I know hewasn't a great champion but maybe he wasa top ten
contender ( top twenty ?)?. I read youcome from California ! I wanna say
that I ama huge Los Angeles Lakers fan !!!Go Shaq !!!! Go Kobe !!!!|
|7/30/03 07:00:10 AM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|Massimo:
Cleveland Williams was a little over 6'2" tall. Liston was a litlte under 6'1.
Williams was a very good puncher especially with his left hand. Liston beat him
twice and said that Williams hit as hard as he (Liston) did, but dould not take
a punch like he could. Williams was hit by a car and killed about two years
ago. He was a very tough guy, never a champion but an outstanding contender. He
was all washed up by the time he fought Ali.|
|7/30/03 08:09:42 AM|Massimo|Rome||Massimo.Cini@roma2.infn.it||||10|I' m
surprised ! Wasn' t Williams taller than Ali' ? Ali' is 6 2" 1/2 , I think. In
the second Listonfight he looked about 6'6. I' d love to watch hisfirst
fight with Ernie Terrell, for comparison !Therefore, I guess, Liston was
1.84. But I'msure that Andre' the Giant wasn' t 7'5 !!!!!!!!Maybe 6'8
!!!! In the Ali'-Bonavena fight whatwere the scores at the time of the
stoppage ?I know it was a close, very tough fight forMuhammad but he was
winning or losing ?And what about the Mac Foster and ErnieTerrell fights
? Thanks !|
|7/30/03 09:04:28 AM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|Masimo: I don't
know the exact scoring of the Ali-Bonavena fight but Ali was comfortably ahead
at the time ofthe TKO if my memory serves me right. Bonavena was a tough
rugged fighter and he was a little under 6' tall.I believe Ernie Terrel was
the tallest of the bunch at about 6'5". Terrell was no wheres near the hitter
thatWilliams was. Although Bonavena was from Argentina, he was of Italian
decent. His original trainer wasCharlie Goldman who trained Marciano.
Cleveland Williams was a hard puncher, but I personally don't thinkhe could
bang like Foreman or Shavers. But he was definitely one of the sports
hardmen.|
|7/30/03 09:06:37 AM|Evren|London||@||||10|Massimo.I have just read the
biography of Primo Carnera and was very intrigued. The book was called 'The
Story of Man Mountain'Carnera.I tend to respect him a little more than he is
given credit for. I have watched quite a few of his fights and I feel he was a
good boxer, obviously manafactured who did'nt punch with his full weight.
Whether this was due to lack of skill or the fact that he did'nt want to hurt
the other guy is open to debate. He had decent speed for his size and good
reflexes. He was probably as good as he could have possibly been his size in
that generation.For your information I have the following Carnera fights : - Joe