January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

certainly shouldn't have been dethroned by the performances of Williams or
Witherspoon. Maybe you give Witherspoon the draw??? |
|1/21/05 08:36:53 AM|Massimo |Roma,Ca||4||||10|Angelo-As I have already
said I didn't see those fights, I have just read some comments about them.
Anyway, I think a fight should be scored just as it is, round for round, without
thinking who is the champion and who is the challenger. If the challenger wins
by even just (or only) 1 point, the judges ought to give him the title. Also, I
think that if the fight is judged a draw the title should not remain to the
champion but should be considered vacant and an immediate rematch should be
organized. |
|1/21/05 12:25:54 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Massimo: I
disagree to an extent. What it really comes down to, as you said, is that
whoever scores the most points should win. But as we all know, scoring a fight
is subjective. I think that going into the fight, some level of "benefit of the
doubt" should be given to the incumbent Champion. The responsibility should be
on the challenger to take the title away, not have it given to them. I'm not
saying a challenger has to knock the other guy out, but for me at least, he has
to do more than pitter-pat and survive---he has to make a strong case that he
has unseated the Champion---stronger thenthe case the Champion must make
that he has successfully defended his crown. I know this isn't scientific, but
scoring a fight really isn't scientific in the first place. Similarly, I
totally disagree with the Olympic scoring---that a clean jab that lands but
barely stings is worth as much as a power punch that causes a knockdown. That's
total crap. |
|1/21/05 01:39:30 PM|Massimo |Roma, Italia ( e si cazzo, Italia
!)||4||||10|Diavolo-I agree with what you said about the Olimpics but I
don't agree about the other thing. I know that judging is subjective, but when
the fight starts the judges don't know who they are going to help
(unintentionally, I hope). Every fight should start (or begin) 0-0, just as it
was a fight between two amateurs and not a fight for the heavyweight title. I
think that it would be a good idea to increase the number of the judges. Instead
of 3 judges, 5 judges. In this way the importance of subjectiveness would
decrease.|
|1/21/05 01:51:59 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Five judges
might make the outcome more fair---but the added cost might prevent that from
happening. Of course, for a huge title fight, why not splurge on two more
judges?And in theory, you are right about it not being fair that the judge
favors one of the participants just because they're the champ. But it's funny--
-I've even seen fights where an undefeated contender gets a bum decision over
some old veteran trial horse who clearly should have won the fight. |
|1/21/05 02:11:03 PM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|The Ali/Jimmy
Young fight was a close fight and Young outlanded Ali as far as punch numbers so
some people thought Young should have gotten the decision.If the pros
were scored like amatuer fights are, this would have been true but Young didn't
land the stronger more effective punches and he didn't land that than many more
than Ali landed.Young also ran the entire fight and he even stuck his
head out of the ropes to avoid getting hit.Now if Young had landed an
overwhelmingly majority of the punches every round, then he should have been the
victor but this wasn't the case. In effect, Young didn't take the title from
the champion regardless of punch stat numbers.|
|1/21/05 02:34:19 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Kent: You
experessed it better than I could. If I never heard of, or saw these two guys,
it's possible that I would have called the fight a draw, or maybe Young could
have eeked out a one point win (I'd have to watch it again to be sure.). But I
did know who these guys were, there was a lot of history, Ali was a great
Champion and there's no way in hell I would take his title and hand it to Young
based on a very awkward performance and a lot of light hitting. Without knowing