January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

e remembered as a top 20 all time. If he makes 5-6 other (or more) title
defenses and then retires, how to deny him a top 20 rating ? "MASSIMO,
it would depend on who those 5-6 title defenses consisted of. VITALI didn't de-
throne LEWIS. If he had, he would probably be viewed differently by many fight
fans. VITALI will have to reach into his hat and pull out some big time talent
to compete against within the next few years, which judging by what is out there
currently, may be a difficult task.|
|10/10/05 12:31:16 PM|Pete|Cleveland||N/A||||10|I can't believe people are still
droning on about Frazier "ducking" the WBA Tournament.Over the weekend I
watched Terrell-Spencer, and Quarry Spencer. Frazier would have destroyed
Terrell or Spencer at that time if they fought. It would not have been a hard
fight for Frazier.Patterson, Mildenberger would not have been a hard
fight. I doubt if Martin would have been. Regarding Quarry and Ellis being hard
fights for Frazier, give me a break. Frazier beat them both handily and came out
without a mark on his face. Bonevena, would have been a hard fight. But Joe
fought him a year later and won an unamious decisionWho did Ellis fight
after the Quarry? Floyd Patterson and Ellis was lucky to win that fight.
Patterson by the way was offered fights with Frazier more than once and he
turned them down.One can look at a fighter's record and try and decide
why one fighter did not fight another at a given time. But the record books do
not tell you why. If you want to gage the skills of a fighter at a particular
period in his career who at the films of the fight. This Frazier crap and the
WBA tournament is booring. And as someone else said on the site, "I am entitled
to my opinion."|
|10/10/05 12:52:11 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Pete:
"Would have been, would not have been, if..." All the would haves, could haves,
should haves and ifs are only out there because Frazier wasn't in the tournament
and didn't fight the 70's contenders that have been mentioned a couple hundred
times during this debate. What do we have on his contemporaries? Okay, Ali
ducked Terry Daniels and Holmes ducked Jumbo Cummings. The point is, this
debate, which is boring you so much (but which you have continued in your last
post) is possible because Joe stayed out of the tournament when every single
other contender was in it, and Joe "overlooked" some big bangers and clever
boxers of the early-mid 70's when they all fought eachother and every other
Champion (ummm, Ali?) defended against them. I'll admit that Frazier was one of
the best of his era, and was unquestionably the best while Ali was retired, and
did beat Ali---but there's no question that he took an easier path than he might
have taken to win the six state title and unify it by beating Ellis---and he
"missed" a number of savage power punchers that might have put him down on his
seat like Foreman did nine times. I say "might have" because again, the fights
never happened. He ended his career with fewer fights and fewer defenses than
the all-time greats and for this reason, I think he lands in the second group
(albeit high in the second group) when a discussion of the best ever is had. |
|10/10/05 01:19:59 PM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|Joey-Against Lennox Lewis
the fight was stopped too soon, Vitali would have probably won it. He is
beating all the guys they are putting in front of him. What else can he do ?
It's not his fault if there aren't big talents (or there are no big talents)
outta there. At the end of his career we'll have to use our immagination to know
how he would have done against people like Frazier,Ali',Bonavena. It will be a
matter of opinions. |
|10/10/05 04:54:24 PM|Howard C.|Louisville||howardc@louisville||||10|Geepers.
Everytime I read someone saying "they're still going on about the WBA tournament
and Frazier" I know that that guy is about to go on about the WBA tournament and
Frazier. Thanks for proving my theory, Pete and Gerry.Some of you guys
are facts sensitive. Someone posts a fact and you respond with your hearts and
prejudices rather than your brains and logic. Noam posted the fact that
Frazier refused to enter the WBA tournament, even though the other seven ranked