January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

have been fighting his boyfriend. You make it sound like they'd need a
prenuptial agreement to fight each other.Then we have tune ups and tune
downs and that 'blunder downunder' with Ellis 2. And you deny it. Gimme a
break.|
|6/30/05 05:35:00 PM|Noam|same||same||||10|KentYour theory works both
ways. You say that Frazier fought Quarry in June 1974 because Quarry had beaten
Lyle the year before and that Frazier had to fight the winner.Well,
Kent, in July 1974 Lyle beat Ellis. Yet in March 1975 Frazier fought the loser
Ellis. Your theory doesn't cut it. |
|6/30/05 05:46:12 PM|Noam|same||same||||10|ForestJust one more thing.
You say that I don't care about Ali's deteriorating medical condition. Not true.
Go through my posts and you'll see that I've repeatedly said that Ali is
handling his condition with dignity and courage.I probably understand
his condition more than you. Only last week I viewed a recent interview
conducted between Ali and Sir David Frost. I bought it so I could better
understand Ali's condition. You should buy it.Kent - with all due
respect, your excuse for Frazier fighting Ellis and not Lyle was waffle.
Hypothesy plus guess work multiplied by wishful thinking. Good try, anyway. |
|6/30/05 06:56:13 PM|Massimo |Roma||4||||10|I really don't understand how and
why they allowed Frazier not to fight in the WBA tournment! Because his manager
Durham didn't want him to fight ?!?! And then, I guess, if Karl Mildenberger's
managere have had the same opinion as Frazier's they would have allowed Karl not
to fight in the tournment... I really don't understand (or even don't get it)!
Can anyone explain me what happened ? I'm confused ! Thanks! |
|6/30/05 08:37:45 PM|Angelo|DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Massimo:I guess the
tournament was mandatory to be crowned WBA Champion---and Frazier opted out.
Fact is, the WBA should have prevented Frazier from being crowned Champion by
beating Ellis, who fought his way through the tournament to win. They shouldn't
have sanctioned it as a title fight---maybe declaring the title vacant when
Ellis lost? It's ridiculous that they were played by Frazier's camp, allowed
him to sit out when everyone else fought eachother in an elimination, then
allowed him to take the title from Ellis. There should have been some sort of
suspension. I'm all for the belt changing hands in the ring---but Frazier gave
up his right by sitting out of the tournament.Forrest: How many times was
Ali knocked out in his career? Once, against Holmes, and it was a TKO as he
didn't answer the bell. He was hardly ever cut, not often knocked down and
through the first half of his career, not hit often in the head. My point is
that a lot of heavyweights of his era took a lot more punishment to the head
than he did. Even later in his career, he was very vulnerable to body punches
(which damage the organs) but wasn't knocked unconscious. I think some of his
condition was a predisposition to getting Parkinsons. Maybe the boxing career
expedited the onset of Parkinsons, but he isn't "punch drunk" in the old
description of the term. To answer your question, I'd gladly wave a wand and
get rid of his last dozen fights to give him good health today. But I'll say
this---Frazier took a lot more blows to the head than Ali did---probably was
separated from his senses more in two fights against Foreman and Ali in Manilla-
--than Ali was in his career. Getting hit by Foreman hard enough to be lifted
off the ground---then being hit by him in a way to be driven into the ground---
in the same fight---if I recall, in the same round---was as devastating as
anything Ali faced. |
|6/30/05 11:59:49 PM|Noam|same||same||||10|AngeloI agree entirely with
you. I suspect that Ali had a pre-disposition to Parkinson's and trauma to the
head from boxing probably accelerated it. Perhaps he would have got it later in
life even without boxing.In his interview with Sir David Frost, Ali
denies that boxing has any link at all to his problem. I think that's probably
stretching it. There has to be a linkage in my opinion.I wrote something
recently that Forest obviously didn't read (seeing that he says I've ignored