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stopped it. Like I said, I love Ali more than anyone, but I don't see how you'd
view him as dominating that fight. |
|4/30/04 10:22:33 AM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|Angelo-I have Lyle 3 points
ahead after 10 rounds. But I think he was ahead only because Ali' did nothing
but clowning for almost all the fight. In round 7 and 8 Ali' got abruptly
serious and Lylewas in trouble. I think that Ali' was killing Lyle in round
11. Lyle was already shaken after the first right and Ali' hit him with 20-30
other punches. Ron had no chance in hell to survive (or of surviving) the round.
Watching the fight I got the impression that Ali' was always in controll of the
fight and never hurt or in danger. If he had fought with the determination he
showed against Foreman, I'm sure Lyle wouldn't have been ahead after 10 rounds,
and maybe wouldn't have been up on his feet. Just my impression. I have
watched only a synthesis of Ali'-Spinks 2, not the whole fight, and Ali' didn't
look that good in my opinion. Besides that I think the fight was pretty boring.
Just different views.|
|4/30/04 11:27:15 AM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Angelo, look
at Lyle's eyes when the referee stopped the fight. They were glazed over and he
was not throwing punches back. He was out on his feet and taking a large amount
of punches. That right hand that started it all by sending Lyle sagging against
the ropes was a hard punch.Massimo, Lyle fought a strategic fight and he
scored with enough punches, even if a lot of them were not as hard as he could
punch, to lead on the scorecards. You are right, Ali did very little in a lot
of the rounds and Lyle did just enough but there were times when he hit Ali
hard. Lyle was saving energy for the latter rounds. By clowning around
in the fight, Ali also was saving energy for the latter rounds but he almost
waited too long to get going because if he doesn't score that knockout in round
11, he is facing a powerful fighter with energy left. Lyle likely would have
fought as hard as he could against Ali in rounds 12 through 15 to go after the
win. Ali, later in his career, until the Shavers fight, was hitting
harder than he was earlier in his career and there probably would have been some
hard toe to toe action in the last rounds of the Lyle fight.Against
Foreman, my memory of the fight was from seeing it has it happened and that all
Ali did was lay against the ropes and tire Foreman out. But after viewing it on
tape a lot of times since, Ali is counterpunching and tagging Foreman hard
throughout the fight, boucing off of the ropes and hitting Foreman in between
wearing Foreman out with the rope a dope. The key to this fight is Ali hitting
Foreman with hard lead right hands early in the first round to let Foreman know
he was in for a real fight this time.|
|4/30/04 11:47:22 AM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|Kent-Yes, I agree with you,
Ali'-Foreman was very close after 7 rounds. After round 5 Giorgio Eduardo was
not in the fight anymore. He was already ready for his own big bed.|
|4/30/04 11:51:52 AM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Massimo---I
think you're right that Ali-Spinks second fight was boring to watch. Sometimes,
good boxers like Jimmy Young, Eddie Gregory (Eddie Mustafa Muhammad), even
Lennox Lewis look boring when they win decisions.Kent: The crazy thing
about Ali-Foreman round one was that Ali even tried throwing right hand leads---
much less the fact that they connected that hard. "When We Were Kings" comments
on that. It's insulting to a pro fighter to throw right hand leads because they
leave the guy throwing them so vulnerable to counters. But I think Foreman was
stunned by the strategy and that's why he got caught. And it's very interesting
that you mention your old recollection of the fight and then your experience
watching it again. Ditto for me. When I first saw that fight, and for many
years after, it was as though my memory told me Ali's only really good round was
eight, when he scored the KO. But watching it again shows that he fought
brilliantly for at least half the rounds, including coming off the ropes and
popping Foreman with crisp punches. The punch that ended it was one of the best
of Ali's career---and had Foreman beat the count, Ali would have tortured him in