January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

to have a Foreman 3 and that Foreman is not going to fight in the future. |
|3/15/05 03:12:45 PM|Howard C.|Louisville||howardc@louisville||||10|Kent, I am
disappointed in you. I know that you try your hardest to be fair and honest
(most of the time, anyways), but you are falling deeper into the hole you have
dug for yourself over Frazier.Not only do Frazier fans dismiss the
fights he ducked by saying, "Oh well, Joe would have beaten them easily anyway",
but you have now begun to try and reconstruct fights he lost. We now
have Kent saying, in reality, that the Foreman victories over Joe were
unconvincing and that if they fought 10 times Joe would have won some of them.
Really ? When Joe fought Foreman he wasn't able to stand up for longer than 45
seconds straight before George knocked him down again and again and again and
again and again and again. SIX TIMES. (By the way, included in that 45
seconds between knock downs, was the 10 second referee count. So, in actual
fact, there was only 35 seconds fight time in between knock downs.)When
Foreman knocked Joe down SIX TIMES in their first fight, Joe (according to his
fans)was in his prime and at the pinnacle of his career after beating Ali. Yet
Foreman knocked down a supposedly in prime and peaked Frazier SIX
TIMES.George wasn't the fastest puncher around. We all recall Ali going
"whoosh, whoosh" as he mimmicked Goegre's punching style before Zaire. George
was a very big puncher, but he wasn't a fast puncher. Why then do Frazier fans
think it ridiculous to say that Mac Foster posed a threat to Joe ? Foster wasn't
a fast puncher either, we know that, however he had power. Enough power to knock
Joe down (remember Bruce and Bonavena) and perhaps knock him out (especially
early when Joe was extremely vulnerable).Kent also notes that Joe never
got to land his famous left hook on Foreman. He does this to try and leave a
doubt in our heads that maybe Joe was a little unlucky against George. Kent
thinks if they'd fought a third time Joe could have turned the tables. Baloney !
How many chances does he want ? What do you expect Foreman to do, if
they fought a third time, Kent ? Stand still and stick his jaw out so that
Frazier can left hook him ? Gimme a break. That's not how it's supposed to work.
And even if Joe lands the hook and George goes down, George more likely
than not gets up before stopping Frazier (again). Foreman managed to get up
after Shavers hit him, right ? Bet your house he gets up after
Frazier.Simple logic, Kent, destroy the various scenarios you suggest
trying to defend Frazier from the justifiable critizism.|
|3/15/05 04:14:25 PM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|Howard C.-Foreman never
fought Shavers, he fought Lyle. I think that the correct English for that is
"Howard C., you're mixing Shavers up with Lyle" or something similar. But I do
believe that Foreman was ahead against Frazier in Kingston at the time of the
stoppage.|
|3/15/05 04:16:20 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Howard C:
It was Lyle who was able to knockdown Foreman, not Shavers. But other than
that, your points are well taken. Foreman would have pole-axed Frazier each and
every time, no matter how often they would fight. You know, both Frazier-
Foreman fights, especially the first one, looked like an adult abusing a small
child. That wouldn't likely change---the third time, the fifth time, the tenth
time they fought. Frazier was helpless against Foreman's size and power. True,
Shavers wouldn't have the height advantage over Frazier that Foreman enjoyed.
True, Lyle wasn't the closer that Foreman was. I don't know if they would beat
Frazier or not---and we'll never know because the fights didn't happen. As for
Norton, I think Joe would have won that one, but again, as Howard C pointed out,
it's a guess, because the fights were never made. Thanks Yank. |
|3/15/05 07:14:16 PM|Steve|N.J.||dmmsrm@comcast.net||||10|Angelo,I'm glad to
know your not a Frazier hater.I really enjojed that analogy about Frazier being
beating like a small child by an adult.Of course your not trying to belittle
Frazier in any way.At least Frazier had the courage to get back up six
times.What other fighter even had the balls to fight Foreman again.I didn't see