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was a non-entity in the division between the years 1974-1975. He wasn't ranked<br />

and was figured to be a one hit wonder. It wasn't until 1976 that he became a<br />

contender again. By this time Joe was on his way out. Joe Frazier didn't duck<br />

ANYBODY his whole career. |<br />

|8/19/04 11:26:08 PM|Joe Krause|Chicago||sadmspats@yahoo.com||||10|If Joe<br />

Frazier retires after beating Muhammad Ali he is ranked #1 heavyweight of all-<br />

time right now by many experts. Yank knew that and tried to get Joe to quit to<br />

protect him and his legacy. |<br />

|8/20/04 02:04:51 AM|Timana|Auckland||same||||10|JoeFrazier number 1 of<br />

all time if he retired after his first fight with Ali ? Are you serious ?<br />

Bonavena knocked him down twice and almost a third time, if my memory<br />

serves me correctly. It was the three knock down rule and Frazier was almost<br />

gone. Some all time great. Plus, Joe, what you are saying conflicts with<br />

Fran and Forest Ward and all the other Frazier apologists. <strong>The</strong>y've already<br />

admitted he ducked people. Some are saying that he wouldn't fight his buddies.<br />

Others are saying he wouldn't waste his time fighting guys like Lyle. Others are<br />

saying that his managers picked who he wouldn't fight. Someone else said it was<br />

the money. And someone else is saying avoiding all those guys was smart<br />

matchmaking.That was Frazier's problem. Too many excuses. Guys like Ali<br />

and Louis and Duran and Monzon fought the next best and the next best. <strong>The</strong>y had<br />

confidence in their own ability to fight anyone, anywhere.Frazier had to<br />

save himself up for fights. He didn't fight regularly. He'd have to save up all<br />

his hate and motivation.Joe is saying that after the first Ali fight<br />

Frazier was number 1. Nonsense. I say that if Joe had never fought Ali then only<br />

pure boxing fans would ever have heard of him. Without Ali, Joe's<br />

greatest victory would have been Jimmy Ellis. Wow. With no Ali around, he would<br />

have fought a few stiffs and then got thrashed twice by Foreman. Joe would have<br />

been a footprint on the canvass of boxing history.His only two 'great'<br />

fights were against Ali....number 1 and number 3. What else is he remembered for<br />

?Those humiliating losses to Foreman, that's what. Picture Frazier in<br />

your mind getting knocked down again and again and again by Foreman. Foreman<br />

went into that fight at long odds. All the pundits picked Frazier. And then<br />

Frazier ends up looking like a drunken sailor.<strong>The</strong> two embarrassing<br />

losses to Foreman showed exactly where Frazier should be in rankings. Below<br />

Foreman. And Ali's win over Foreman shows us where he ranks. And that's way<br />

above Frazier.And Ali wasn't even the greatest of all time, so where<br />

does that leave Smokin' Joe ?Frazier has every right to be proud of his<br />

career. His fans have every right to admire him. But one of the all time greats,<br />

etc, etc, baloney. Not even close.|<br />

|8/20/04 06:33:08 AM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|How did it happen that Ron Lyle was<br />

knocked out in 2 in 1979 by a journayman named Lynn Ball ?I'm upset ! Did<br />

anybody see that fight ? Thanks.|<br />

|8/20/04 07:35:49 AM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|TIMANA: out of<br />

fairness to Frazier, let's remember that no other all time great candidate such<br />

as Louis, Marciano, Dempsey, or whomever, ever had to cope with a a hitter of<br />

Foreman's power. Frankly, with the possible exception of Louis, I don't see<br />

anyone of those guys ending up any different than Joe did against Frazier. Joe<br />

did look bad against Foreman, but George's punching power has not been seen<br />

before or since and getting kayoed by him probably would have happened to the<br />

vast majority of men who held the world championship had they fought the<br />

Foreman that Frazier faced in Jamaica. I personally cannot think of any man<br />

alive who would or could have gotten up six times after taking a pounding like<br />

that.|<br />

|8/20/04 08:47:22 AM|Timana|Auckland||same||||10|That's where we differ John.<br />

In my opinion, Frazier fans try to make themselves feel better about the<br />

Foreman humiliation by pretending that Foreman was somehow superhuman on that<br />

night, and that no one in history could have done better than Joe did against

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