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was the same guy who made Joe lots of dosh out of the 'Weekend at Bernie's'
fight against Ellis in Australia. Not even Don King could have sold that lemon.
Joe's money guy is so good he could sell Gerry the Iraq War and
Republicans.However, even Wall Street putting Joe's face on its version
of Mt Rushmore together with the accompanying motto 'Easy Is Good & Profitable',
doesn't get him a birth in my Top 10 heavies. Financial smarts doesn't matter
for my list; the quality of opposition the fighter faced and didn't face does.
The way Pete tells it Smokin Joe was competing against Bill Gates and Wall
Street's Gordon Gekko instead of trying to be an all time great fighter.|
|10/12/05 09:30:37 AM|Pete|Cleveland||N/A||||10|Howard C, what's wrong with you
guy? Your post's drip of anger and sarcasm when someone writes post's you don't
agree with. Loosen up fella.Throughout life you are going to meet a lot
of people who may disagree with you about something. When you react with sarcasm
and anger it reflects poorly on you. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing
with someone, but Howard C when someone disagrees with you take it personally.
This board is not life and death, it is supposed to be interesting and
entertaining. Ease up guy.|
|10/12/05 10:12:07 AM|Kent|Murrieta, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|I think a
lot of the reason Frazier took certain fights and not others is because of his
manangment structure.Realize that while his manager of record was Yank
Durham and then later Eddie Futch, financially his career was run by a company
called Cloverly. His career was financed by a group of investors, this
company, and they had a lot to say about who Joe fought as they were in it to
make a profit for their investment in Joe's career.Sorry Noam, but you
sometimes use selective information to make some of your points.You did
a list of the fighters Frazier fought before his fight with Mathis but a more
accurate list would be to list who Joe fought for the year before the WBA
tournament, which started in August of 1967, which earned Joe his number one
ranking, which he lost in the WBA rankings for not entering the
tournament.The fighters he fought for the prior year before the WBA
tournament were as follows: Oscar Bonevena, Eddie Machen, Doug Jones, Jefferson
Davis, George Johnson, and George Chuvalo. A more impressive list than
the one Noam used for prior to the Mathis fight and I have a feeling a stronger
group of opponenst, except for Davis and Johnson, then a lot of the WBA
tournament guys.I will have to take the time to do the list of the other
fighters to see if this is true or not though. Also, if you consider
that Frazier in the period after the WBA tournament took on Mathis, a strong
oppponent no matter what Joe says about him as Joe often would never give his
opponents any credit, Bonevena (again), Jerry Quarry, Bob Foster, Jimmy Ellis,
and the great Muhammad Ali.Again, as Pete pointed out, Joe beat three of
the WWBA guys for more money for him and his investors.|
|10/12/05 04:50:08 PM|Howard C.|Louisville||howardc@louisville||||10|Pete, Pete,
PeteI was replying to your post with humour. There was no anger in my
post. I was focusing on you talking about Frazier being a smart money man when
the debate was about his worth as a fighter. Some of you guys really do need to
get some humour in your lives. Smile occasionally. Laugh. Have fun, Pete. Try
not to take everything the wrong way.I was agreeing with you. Frazier
was a wonderful money manager. He employed a wonderful money guy. I think
Frazier was a wonderful fighter overflowing with courage. I hope he has a
wonderful life and that the rumours about his health are wrong. But I believe he
had flaws - particularly about who he fought and didn't fight - that places him
below my top echelon.I can tell you this, too, Pete. There is much more
anger towards Ali on this site than Frazier. The personal attacks on Ali were
disgraceful. They went unprotested. One guy even laughed at Ali's medical
condition and celebrated his shaking hands and slurred speech by congratulating
Frazier on causing it. Want to talk about anger ? Well, nothing surpasses that
for vitriol and hate. Now, can we get back to normal programing, Pete, by