January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

from? I named Ali the #1 Heavyweight Champion of all time.#3 I asked
Howard for a list of his top 10 welterweight champions of all time. He did not
give a list of his top 10 he gave #1 Robinson #2 Armstrong. And he lumped the
others all together, until yopu finally prodded him on to do the right thing.
Also, note, I did not attack Howard C for his list after he finally posted
them#4 Can you tell tell me 2 significant posts Howard C ever made on
this site regarding something other than Ali-Frazier prattle #5 Most of
the Ali haters have left the site. You and Angelo have toned your anti Frazier
attacks big time. This just leaves Howard C stuck in the past#6 Noam, I
think your time would be better spent counseling Howard C. And tell him to move
on past Ali-Frazier. This BS has been going on for almost 2 years#7
Regarding my boxing knowledge. My post speak for themselves. |
|10/21/05 10:30:40 AM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|A few
comments to address some recent posts:Why would Holmes have to fight Cooney
or Norton in immediate rematches? He beat Cooney by TKO and while Cooney fought
bravely, the fight wasn't in question. I believe Holmes would have loved to
give Cooney a rematch if Cooney rebounded and fought his way back, which he
didn't. As for Norton, he was in line for another shot with Holmes---it would
be the winner of Norton-Shavers to get a rematch with Holmes. Low and behold,
Norton didn't make it out of the first round. I believe Snipes should have had
a rematch with Holmes. That's valid.Ali a hero? To me, he was a
boxing/sports hero, like Joe Namath, Len Dawson, Willie Stargell, Ken Dryden,
etc. To others, he was a whole lot more. Talk to black people who were
intimidated in the early 60s by racists---but by the end of the 60's, they could
speak their mind, be their own people, fight the establishment instead of being
victims of it. To me, Martin Luther King drove it. But to some others, it was
Malcom X and followers, especially a high profile guy like Ali, who had the
*!x!!s to stand up and challenge the power structure. I'm not black---I don't
know what it felt like to be a minority in 1960, afraid to get "out of line" and
forced to the back of the bus, not allowed in diners, not able to use the same
public drinking fountains as whites. I have a vague idea of how that must have
felt, but not being in those shoes, how can I really know for sure? By the late
60's, things were changing quickly and many, many black people felt a sense of
empowerment by watching Ali and others challenge the establishment and speak
out. Please don't say he can't be viewed as a hero. I didn't agree with his
stand against the war---but many people did and he was a hero to them. Willard-
--as a fan of Ali's, I would never say that he's the best ever with ease. If it
was easy, Frazier wouldn't have beaten him and neither would Norton. The other
losses (Spinks, Berbick, Holmes) don't play into it---but Frazier and Norton had
success with Ali and many other fighters gave him tough, hard fought challenges.
With ease? Never. I rank him slightly ahead of Louis, Holmes and Marciano, but
not by a mile. |
|10/21/05 11:34:17 AM|Gerry|Cleveland||same||||10|Angelo, again, makes some very
good points.On Holmes, the fight with Cooney was very much in question if
you look at the score cards at the time of the KO. Cooney was leading on at
least one of them.It may be that all five that I mention may have had
subsequent losses that interfered with rematches, sure. But I find that hard to
believe for all five guys.It's interesting, I was reading about Ron Lyle the
other day for my Quarry Yahoo site. Lyle met Jimmy Young as an eliminator to
meet Ali. Lyle lost, and got to fight Ali anyway in his very next fight.So
even the logic that seems to support this, does not always hold up.Again, so
many iffy performances by Holmes, to me, diminishes his all-time standing. I
haven't heard a lot of response to this here.On Ali, I would never say that
he was not a hero.He clearly was to millions. He was iconic to many and has
millions (billions?) of fans today.The general statement made was that he
was a good guy, and I disagree, however much that actually means.His place
in history is certainly solid no matter what I think.I think Noam makes a