January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

examples (facts) with Joe. Look at Doug Jones's schedule:1966 v
Terrell Lost 15 1966 v Spencer Lost 101967 v Frazier KO
by 6Frazier fought the loser Jones instead of the winners Spencer and
Terrell. Fact.Look again at Terrell. In 1965 he beat Machin and Chuvalo
and in 1966 he beat Jones. Yet Frazier fought all the losers (Machin and
Chuvalo), and not the winner (Terrell). Fact.Same with Thad Spencer. In
1996 he beat Jones. But Joe fought Jones and not Spencer. Fact.Look at
Shavers. In 1971 he had 17 fights and 17 KO's. In 1972 he had 8 fights and 7
KO's. Yet Joe never made time to fight him. Fact.We should examine who
Ellis fought in the lead up to the second Frazier fight.1973 v
Kirkman Lost 101974 v Middleton Drew 101974 v Lyle Lost
121974 v Bugner Lost 101975 v Frazier KO by 9Ellis
had lost three and drew 1 of his last four fights, yet Frazier decided to fight
him a second time, despite the fact that Lyle and Shavers were still out there.
Lyle and Shavers had already beaten Ellis, but Joe opted on the loser.
Fact.Steve....Joe fought Ali three times because he hated Ali, there was
too much money to refuse, and Ali wasn't a puncher. Facts.Frazier fought
Foreman the first time because he didn't consider Foreman a dangerous opponent.
Joe expected to beat him easily. He said so in his book. Facts.Joe
fought Foreman the second time because he had to. He couldn't duck that fight if
he had any aspirations of getting the title back. Fact.As I've
repeatedly said, Frazier's legend is held together with excuses and
explanations. Ali's isn't. Fact. Get used to it. |
|2/22/05 03:01:12 PM|charles|ark.||ctjjandfam@aol.com||||10|jimmy young dead at
56|
|2/22/05 03:02:19 PM|Steve|N.J.||dmmsrm@comcast.net.||||10|Angelo,with all due
respect,I'm not a medical expert,so I cannot say that Ali's condition is a
result of beatings he took over the course of his career.My asking where his
career choices got him was a rhetorical question.Don't take everything said
about Ali that you don't agree with as an personal affront.I can't believe we're
discussing Joe Bugner.Does any one who was alive in the early seventies, and saw
Joe bugner fight, really believe anyone took him seriously as a threat to Ali or
Frazier?|
|2/22/05 04:12:05 PM|Massimo
|Roma||shaqgoestoeast@eastwinsyahoo.wiltwho.com||||10|yo,Steve,yo-Steve,
Ali' fought Mac Foster on 1 April 1972 (if I remember correctly) and everyone
else in the wordl, including my uncle Paolo Ursino. On the other hand, Frazier
fought once Foster but fought zero times Mac Foster. Taking into account that he
used to fight so rarely, especially after 1968, why didn't he fight always the
very best ? Joe Frazier is still a great champion in my book, but I just like to
speak (or speaking) my mind.|
|2/22/05 04:35:36 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|That's
terrible news about Jimmy Young. Very sad.He was a favorite of mine.
Howard C: That post sums it up better than I can. Facts are facts. Probably
the most ridiculous and surprising thing you pointed out was Jimmy Ellis'
futility leading up to the Frazier rematch. Could they possibly have picked a
less threatening opponent that anyone had ever heard of than a guy who was
having draws/losses in bunches like that? Ellis clearly had nothing left,
nothing at all, and still gave Frazier a few tough rounds (I have that one on
tape---Ellis actually stayed away and boxed well for about 4-5 rounds.). Kent:
Newsflash, if he wanted to prepare for Ali, Joe would have been better off
sparring with Marvis, who was about 12 years old at the time, rather than a 1974
Ellis. This wasn't about finding someone to prepare for Ali, it was a payday
against an opponent who was utterly incapable of hurting Frazier. As if Ellis'
poor recent record wasn't enough of an insurance policy, there was the history
that Frazier had already KOed him when Ellis was actually good. Steve: No, to
answer your question, no one alive in the early 70's had any reason to think