January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

Shavers had beaten Ellis, but Frazier didn't fight Lyle or Shavers. He fought
Ellis, the soft punching loser. Opting to fight the losers instead of winners
was a habit with Joe (as I will soon show).Ken Norton was about too.
From 1973 to 1976 Norton fought Ali, Foreman, Quarry and others. Yet Joe
preferred instead to fight guys like Helwig, Daniels, Stander, and Quarry and
Ellis (for the second time).Frazier never fought Terrell. In 1964
Terrell ko'ed Foster and he also beat Machen. He beat Chuvalo in 1965 and Jones
in 1966. In 1967 he fought Ali and lost in 15 rounds.Yet, rather than
fight Terrell, Joe fought Jones in 1967 (whom Terrell beat 6 months earlier). In
1967 Joe fought Chuvalo (whom Terrell had beaten two years earlier).Joe
also preferred to fight Machen in 1966. Terrell beat Machen in 1964. Terrell had
beaten all these guys, yet Frazier opted to fight the losers.And by
Joe's own admission, some of the guys he opted to fight were ordinary. As I
wrote in my last post, Joe said that one guy was a human shock absorber, another
had only fought guys in wheelchairs, and another was a drunk. The press at that
time accused Joe of fighting "dogmeat".The legend of Joe Frazier is
glued together with excuses and explanations. Give me some more excuses, Kent !
Joe needs them urgently.|
|2/20/05 08:46:23 PM|Sean|Jersey||seancaddle@msn.com||||10|Hey Ray"Forest Ward"
remember me, Sean from Jersey me you and Bos went to Atlantic City for that
collectors show? |
|2/21/05 02:00:07 AM|Howard
C.|Louisville||howardc@louisville||||10|Noam....thanks for the heads-up on
Frazier. Your research confirmed what many of us already knew. Frazier fights
Jones, Chuvalo, Machen, and not Terel, despite Terel already beating Jones,
Chuvalo and Machen.Kent....I guess you meant that it's tiresome to keep
repeating an INCORRECT comment. Frazier didn't need to beat Quarry to get the
third fight with Ali. The third fight would have happened anyway. How could
anyone have stopped it ? I take it that you didn't live through that period and
was born afterwards.I can see that you are struggling. You countered
that Ali fought Coopman, Dunn, Blin, Wepner, etc. Yes, Ali fought everyone. Tell
me a respected heavyweight that he didn't fight.But, Kent, you were
dishonest by not putting the names in perspective.1974 Ali v
Frazier1974 Ali v Foreman1975 Ali v Wepner1975 Ali v
Lyle1975 Ali v Bugner1975 Ali v Frazier1976 Ali v
Coopman1976 Ali v Young1976 Ali v Dunn1976 Ali Ali v
Norton1977 Ali v Evangelista1977 Ali v Shavers12
fights in three years including Foreman, two against Frazier, Lyle, Young,
Norton, and Shavers.So what if he had a few other fights in between; he
earned them.Out of the above list Frazier only faced Foreman. He didn't
fight any of the others. I guess there wasn't enough money or he had too much
affection for them.Kent says that Lyle and Shavers were of another era.
Ali fought Lyle in 1975 and Shavers in 1977. Same era. Joe didn't fight them
because they could punch.By the way, Kent, from 1973 to 1976 Frazier had
7 fights. He won 3 of them. In that same period Ali had 14 fights and won 13 of
them.Thanks again Noam for the heads-up research. |
|2/21/05 03:35:44 AM|Massimo |Roma||4||||10|Howard C.Frazier fought Joe
Bugner in 1973 soon after his first devastating loss against Foreman.|
|2/21/05 08:28:31 AM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Howard C, you
may assume I was putting Ali down for fighting the lessor quality opponents. I
was not, I was saying it was OK for him to do so because Noam had put down
Frazier for fighting some nobodys. Fighting them doesn't take away from the
legacy of either fighter at all.You also may assume I am critical of Ali
because of my praises of Frazier but that is not true as I have always said Ali
is the greatest heavyweight of all time. If Frazier is also an all time great,
it makes Ali greater for beating him two out of three times.Ali quote:
"next to me, Joe Frazier is the greatest of all time." Ali said this after