January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

police officer who worked 9/11 ? And why have you assumed the identity
of an actual person (Forest Ward) when you are not him ? It's okay to have an
alias like you've done with the Fandom tag, but taking a real person's name is
sick. You've been doing it on this site for five years ? Wow. I thought there
are laws against doing this type of thing.|
|7/12/05 05:13:23 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|If he can
be Forrest Ward, than I want to be...let's see...okay, I'm now Joe Namath. |
|7/12/05 05:14:16 PM|Joe Namath|same place as Angelo||same as angelo||||10|If
Chamberlain could challenge Ali, then I should have challenged
Frazier.Signed, Joe "Willie" Namath.|
|7/12/05 05:38:20 PM|Massimo |Roma||4||||10|Yesterday ESPN Classic spoke(or, at
35% talked) about Jack Dempsey...I see many analogies between Dempsey's and
Frazier's career. After winning the title against Willard, Jack didn't fight
very often and didn't probably fight always the most dangerous opponents. He
fought only twice in 1920 (against Miske and Brennan, two very good fighters),
then in 1921 he fought twice (Gibbons, who was a light heavyweight and Firpo),
then in 1921 he fought once against unknown journeyman Jimmy Darcy, then in 1924
he fought 0 times, in 1925 again 0 times and then he lost the title against
Tunney in 1926. Apparently Dempsey was very mad to his manager (Jack Kearns)
because he would have wanted to fight more often and against better opposition,
but Kearns was too cautius and prevented him from doing so (or even didn't allow
him to do so). Maybe the same thing happened to Joe "The big ducker :-) "
Frazier. Maybe Frazier would have wanted to fight Lyle, Shavers, Norton, "wrong
name" Terrell, Jimmy Young etc. but his managers weren't of the same idea. I
think Frazier showed in the first Foreman fight that he was one of the bravest
fighters ever. I don't think he was afraid of those guys! |
|7/13/05 04:16:52 AM|Noam|same||same||||10|Generally, if a boxer, especially a
top ranking boxer won't get in the ring with someone who is a legitimate
contender, when the other top guys in the division do, then the suspicion is
valid that they are worried. Excuses don't cut it.Personally, I think
Frazier's confidence was diminished by the first Ali fight. Yes, I know he won,
but he was fighting someone who'd been out of the ring for three years. He hit
Ali with his best and Ali got up. Frazier was very knocked around and took much
longer than Ali to recover after the fight.To me, he was walking on egg
shells and his management became extremely choosey. They were dumb in taking the
Foreman fight. For some reason Joe didn't rate Foreman - huge mistake - and he
thought himself a shoe in. The extent of the loss shocked Joe. It
drained his confidence. He knew he was vulnerable. And so did his management.
But his management thought they could squeeze some more money out of Joe by
avoiding the dangerous fights and only taking the ones he really had to have.
They could manage his constituional health problems like high blood pressure and
eye cataracts. Hey, they thought, these problems will affect Joe in the long
term, not the short term. So lets make a quick buck off of the guy.There
was no avoiding the Ali fights. Hatred lifted Joe for them. But the first Ali
fight and the Foreman thrashing unnerved him so much that no way was he thinking
of Norton, Shavers, Lyle, Foster or any of those scary guys. Why fight them when
Standers, Daniels, and Ellis were available ?Massimo says that Frazier
was brave. Yes, he was. But he was more careful than brave, mainly because he
was more vulnerable than bulletproof. He didn't have the luxury of Ali's
fabulous jaw. Nor did he have the comfort of Foreman's power. And his health was
no good. So he took fewer fights, fewer risk, fought the easy guys, and saved
himself for times when his hatred of Ali would lift him or his fear of Foreman
would motivate him.In the end, the cream rose to the top. Ali beat the
field. So did Foreman. But we don't know who comes next, because Joe wouldn't
fight those other guys. After the flogging he got from Foreman, I'm not deeming
him the fights against those other hard punchers. As Bonavena proved,
Joe was there for the taking, even in his prime, against someone who could