January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

there were times in the round when Ali danced and made Liston miss but Ali
wasn't throwing punches during some of that time and Liston was. I judge a
round by how much someone does for the whole round, not just part of it.
Of course there are times when a fighter can be winning a round by outlanding
his opponent for most of the round and his opponent can land some hard punches
near the end of the round that hurt the fighter that was winning the rest of the
round significantly. So even if the second fighter landed less punches, if he
was close to scoring a knockdown, he would win that round on my
scorecard.Momentum has a lot to do with how a fight is going so even if
I switched a round for Ali from Liston, though the score would be four rounds to
two for Ali after six, not that big of a margin, Ali was clearly the stronger
fighter after six rounds even if Liston doesn't quit. |
|10/26/04 12:26:02 PM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|What impressed
me the most about the first Ali-Liston fight was the fact that Liston was NOT
slow as often reported. He moved well against the fastest heavy of all time.|
|10/26/04 01:58:58 PM|Massimo|Roma||johnmcenroe.com||||10|Giorgio Eduardo
Foreman is in Milan (Milano)to promote his GIORGIO EDUARDO's GRILLS. I have
just read an interview in which he spoke about his ring career and his life in
general. He said that Ali' was the strongest guy he ever fought but that his
toughest fight was against Ron Howard, no sorry, was against Ron Lyle."
Nobody ever hit me as hard as Ron Lyle did ". He also said that he might come
back in the ring the very day of his 56th birthday. But he wants to lose weight
before as his weight in this moment is about the same of Shaq, who got a big
advantage in wiltness though ( Giorgio Eduardo ain't a big dipper). He doesn't
put himself among the greatest heavyweights of all time because "all I could do
was punching (or to punch) hard". I think he is too humble and too severe to
himself. He is definetely one of the greatest.|
|10/26/04 03:21:44 PM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Yes John,
Liston was moving well and throwing fast punches. But I think a lot of people
were shocked that Ali wasn't annialated in one or two rounds and this took away
from their perception of Liston's performance. After watching the first fight
again, Liston did much better than I had thought before. Liston threw a lot of
punches in this fight and he was missing a lot of them so maybe he did injure
his shoulder like he said he did. Again, any question about a fix being in for
this particular fight can be answered simply by pointing out that no fighter
would work as hard as Liston did if he was throwing a fight.On the
subject of judging, I count hard body shots as much as good head punches so even
if Liston was missing a lot to the head, he did land to the body of Ali and in
some of the rounds, particularly in rounds two and three, Ali wasn't throwing
punches at times when he was dancing away. A fighter can't score points if he
is not showing offense even if his opponent is missing, but throwing a lot of
punches.To this day, Ron Lyle, who lost two decisions to Jimmy Young,
believes he won both fights. It has been a long time since I have seen those
fights but Lyle may not have a bad argument as what should count more? Three
hard body shots and one hard punch to the head by Lyle or five or six light head
punches from Young? As I remember them, in both fights, Lyle was pursuing Young
and landing hard body shots throughout both fights along with some punches to
the head. Young did land more punches but they were light flurries compared to
Lyle's harder shots. It all depends on what the judges are impressed by.
Quanity of punches or quality of punches and in the case of the Lyle/Young
fights, the judges thought Young's punch output was enough to win both fights.
Both Lyle/Young fights reminded me of Ali/Liston 1 as Lyle was missing a lot of
punches he was throwing at Young's head, but like Liston, some of them did land.
By the way, after one of the Lyle/Young fights, Young left the ring with huge
red welts on his sides from Lyle's body attack.|
|10/26/04 03:38:50 PM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|Everyone knows that Liston was
connected to the mob ( Vitale, Carbo, Palermo etc. ) and I was wondering whether