January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

|7/18/05 07:11:10 PM|Fan|USA||n/a||||10|Angelo - you made one of my points.
Acknowledging that devils come in many colors is not a complete turnabout at
all, does not approach the clear and unequivocal renunciation that would elevate
Ali, in my humble opinion. So I haven't broken my word, Noam. (Did I actually
make some pledge to you, I don't remember that). And such a complete
renunciation would certainly have been big news in 1984. Still would be today.
I am not the one being result oriented here, or ignoring the facts. You
can't have it both ways. Either he did renounce the NOI or he (allegedly) made
a rather innocuous and obviously true statement to the effect that not all
devils are white. If the former were true, which I wish were the case, that
would have been newsworthy 20 years ago, and he should have taken ownership, not
whispered it in the dark. If the latter is true, he really didn't say
anything, did he?Re: Frazier, just like anyone, he may have made some
statement or another for public consumption, for whatever reason. I only
related to you what someone with personal knowledge has told me about his
attitude toward Ali. And I am sorry to say it ain't pretty. I hope what I have
heard is wrong, and that he has put the past aside, if just for his own sake.
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|7/18/05 10:18:16 PM|Fan |USA||n/a||||10| PS Howard - if you believe "a quote
from a published book" (as opposed, presumably, to an unpublished one?) really
proves anything......there's not much else to say to you. I guess I just
don't have a problem being"judgmental", whether it's about Black Muslims or
the KKK, as some others. I think it's high time people take stands, as long as
they can be intelligently and honestly articulated. I think I attributed
Howard's reference to "my word" (was I under oath at the time as well?) to Noam,
I am getting you guys mixed up. Assuming I've got it straight now, my apologies
to Noam.Les, you sound just crazy enough to have been on the job. I have a
feeling that perhaps you understand my sentiments about the NOI. |
|7/18/05 10:26:42 PM|Bob Bumbera|NC||renfbera@aol.com||||10|No the "bumper
sticker" guy was about my age 45-50. He has probably taught his kids to believe
what he does. So I don't think he is as confused as a 23 year-old kid can be.
Most of these people are harmless, but some of them are real nutbags. I talk to
people just like bumper sticker when I travel. They are all over the
country…not just the deep south. Ohio and Indiana are worse than
Mississippi or Alabama. I somehow get into a conversation about race with
another white guy and it doesn’t take long to find out where he is coming
from. “N- - - - - s ruin everything” or, this is my favorite,
“ your not married to one are you?” after a 5 minute rant about how
black people are cheating the welfare system and wasting his tax dollars. Most
of them are college educated and are 10 years younger than me. I sit there
stone-faced. Chickens come home to roost. Quickly, on to another topic. This
is 2005, not 1955 we should have come farther than this. And some man like
bumper sticker taught his son to think this way. Ultimately to me, it really
doesn’t matter if Ali renounced his association with the NOI, although he
did, I try to understand it for what it is…and from my experience I
can’t blame him or anyone else for at least trying to change things.|
|7/18/05 10:40:32 PM|Noam|same||same||||10|FanI can only tell you what
has been published in a book by a credible author. He says that Ali renounced
all those things in 1984. I also saw Ali interviewed by Sir David Frost. This
occurred earlier this year. Once again, Ali renounced those beliefs. He admitted
he was wrong.I suppose it's convenient for you to dispute these facts
and let's not forget that it took some people a long time to believe that the
world isn't flat. But the fact is that Ali doesn't hold those beliefs and he
renounced them.That doesn't get away from it being wrong that he said
those things in the first place. Perhaps he over-reacted to racist insults and
pressures he was getting from elsewhere. I've read that the 1960s was a hotbed
of racial and political discontent and that people took sides with each side