January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

yes?Annual listings only tell part of the story, as Jimmy D. revealed
earlier. Some of those opponents for Frazier, Chuvalo and Mathis in particular
were ranked well within the Top Ten for stretches of months.Ultimately, it's
where they are ranked at fight-time that matters most, not where the guy was
last January. For example, it's October now.That's ten months after the last
annual ranking, a time frame in which a lot can happen for today's heavies. A
guy who was #1, might be #4 now with a loss in that interim.In your 53+%,
you might also consider the subsequent losses of the potential opponents in the
time frames you give. Patterson, Spencer and Foster all lost to Quarry: where
were they ranked after those losses? Mildenberger was beaten in the '67
tournament. Where was he ranked after that? This is why annual listings don't go
far enough with guys ranked 6-10. They can drop out, then pop back in. That's
not the same as a guy who was top six for the whole yearWhat is with the
aggressive anti-Frazier thing anyway? He wasn't talented enough for you
guys?...Angelo, I like Lewis with Holmes. Holmes did not have the pop that
McCall or Rahman had, so he'd have to box the bigger man. Lewis, with better
size and reach, would probably make Holmes come to him, a style Holmes does not
fight well in.The bigger Cooney boxed Holmes well with his size. The Truth
was 6'4, and also gave him problems, dominating Holmes for 11 rounds.Your
point that Holmes was tougher is well-taken.Lewis could be iced, as you say,
Holmes got up from Shavers, who hit hard enough to kill.I'm still not as
impressed with the names on Holmes win sheet as most. Norton was flat-out robbed
--- another Don King special. It's a wonder, with both Ali and Holmes, that
Norton didn't chase down King with a bat.Good discussions, guys. Thanks. |
|10/24/05 10:48:24 AM|Kent|Murrieta, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|I have
already acknowledged that there could be some disagreement on who a world class
fighter is. Once again Howard and Noam miss my whole point. They are
both overly critical of Frazier. I don't see them saying anything about Foreman
regarding him not fighting many of the same fighters on their lists.My
whole point is there is more than one way to interpret information available.
That if Foreman, Holmes, and Frazier missed ranked fighters and they all did,
this does not shed them in a bad light, it shows that Ali fought more ranked
fighters than they all did AND THAT IS WHAT SET HIM APART FROM THEM AND OTHER
CHAMPIONS AND ONE OF THE REASONS HE WAS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME. YET HOWARD
AND NOAM JUST MENTION THAT FRAZIER MISSED CERTAIN FIGHTERS. There is
also the possiblitly that the managment of fighters such as Lyle and Shavers
knew they had good prospects and they didn't want to put their fighters in with
someone like Frazier too soon and that by the time their fighters were ready,
Frazier was estentially gone from the scene.I just watched Frazier
verses Quarry 2 and one of the reasons for Jerry's performance was even though
he tried to box, to fight his fight, Frazier would not let him rest for a second
and he forced Jerry to fight Frazier's fight. Frazier was just relentless in
this fight. Downright scary. Now if I was the manager of Lyle or Shavers and I
saw Frazier manhandling a fighter who had easily beaten my fighter, I might
think twice about putting my fighter in with Frazier.I have also heard
that Ernie Terrell and Floyd Patterson were offered fights with Frazier when Joe
was coming up and they turned those fights down.This doesn't surprise me
that some of the fighters on Noam's and Howard's lists might have avoided
Frazier, not the other way around. Again, Frazier was devastating during this
period. Watch the fights he had the films don't lie.I have also
acknowledged that I can see why some people would say Frazier could be ranked
lower on an all time list because he didn't have many career fights but I still
think he should be ranked high as he did have a prime for a substantial time,
1968 to about 1972 and he did have other moments when he showed prime-like
skills, such as the second Quarry fight.|
|10/24/05 11:21:02 AM|Gerry|Cleveland||same||||10|Another thing to add,
sorry.Frazier didn't turn pro until mid-1965. If I'd have been his manager,