January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

the what ifs,now that were using empericle scientific methods,I still think
Frazier kicked his ass in thier first fight.I also think Norton kicked his ass
in thier first fight.Does anyone beleive the fighters Frazier
ducked,Lyle,Shavers,could have taken Ali to the extremes of punishmant of the
"Thrilla In Manalli"? |
|8/19/04 10:08:27 AM|Forest Ward|New York City||NYC.com||||10|This is getting
ridiculous regarding Joe Frazier. .When he was champ, he fought the best
contenders available. Such as Bonevana, Quarry, Eliis,Ali. Granted he did not
fight Liston. Liston did not have a license in New York City, and if I was
handling Frazier, a promoter is going to have to pay me a lot of money to fight
Liston. So now you have to find a promoter who is willing to take a huge
financial risk backing Liston. I doubt you could find one.Does anyone
believe for a second that Joe Frazier ducked Jimmy Young, Frazier's former
sparring partner? Jimmy Young who was beaten by Randy Neuman, and Ossie Ocasio
among other.Does anyone believe Frazier ducked Earnie Shavers who was
knocked out by Ron Stander, Jerry Quarry, and beaten by Bob
Stallings.Does anyone really believe Frazier ducked Ron Lyle, who was
beaten by Quarry, and twice by Jimmy Young.Does anyone really believe
Frazier ducked Ernie Terrell (I can't believe I have to ask this question).
Terrell was poison at the box office. TThe obvious reason why Frazier
did not fight any of the above is because it served no purpose for him. He was a
challenger interested in fighting for the title again. His goals were to regain
the championship and make as much money as possible in the meantime. As a
challenger it was not Frazier's duty to fight every challenger, that was the
champions responsibility.It is a credit to Frazier's management that
they matched him carefully throughout his career, other wise he may have ended
up like Jerry Quarry, and Muhammad Ali. These 2 poor souls fought everyone put
in front of them and look how they fared in their life after boxing. They both
became poster children for the abolishment of boxing crusaders|
|8/19/04 10:39:03 AM|John Gerard|NYC||rock289z@yahoo.com||||10|HI FOREST: I
agree with every single thing you wrote, except one aspect: I do think Joe
ducked Lyle. And I think he or his management was smart to do so. It was not a
good match up for Joe regarding size, style or power. Joe didn't have to fight
Lyle to get another title shot -- so he wisely didn't. No shame in that. |
|8/19/04 01:29:45 PM|Kent|La Habra, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Forrest, you
are right, people are ignoring the fact that by the time Frazier earned his shot
at Ali in 1974 by beating Quarry; Lyle, Shavers, and Young were not fighters
Frazier had to fight. Both Lyle and Shavers lost to Quarry, Young had lost to
Shavers and fought a draw with Shavers in a rematch, and Shavers had lost to
Stander, Quarry, and Stallings. Once again, if Shavers and Lyle had beaten
Quarry, it would have been very likely that Joe would have fought them to get to
Ali. But he didn't have to because they lost. Besides, going into the 74
Frazier/Quarry fight, Jerry had been on a roll, winning about six fights in a
row, including Lyle and Shavers, and he was favored to beat Frazier. Jerry was
the most dangerous opponent out there for Frazier to take on, with the possible
exception of Norton and of course George Foreman, who was champion until Ali
beat him later that year. Forrest, sometimes I think people just don't
take the time to look up fighters' records. If they did, then they would see
that Lyle, Shavers, and Young were not considered high status contenders until
from about 1975 to 1977 and by that point, Frazier, besides his epic battle with
Ali in Manila, one last grasp at greatness, was finished as a serious contender.
Now if during this period Frazier was still an active viable contender for the
title, and he had avoided, fighting the above named fighters, then we can say he
was ducking them. |
|8/19/04 01:35:34 PM|Fran|Philly||Plc7755@aol.com||||10|John why should Joe have
fought Lyle. In 73 Joe got blown out by Foreman and needed to re-group in 74 he
fought Ali for the big money then Jerry in the summer. In 75 he fights Ali again