January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

dishonor. You shouldn't be using a real person's name when you are not him. So,
hence forth, I will call you Dead Parroter - Impersonator (DP-I for short),
unless you come up with a new name, like Oscar or something.Regarding
the jail bird comment. You initially denied any knowledge of this. Now you admit
making a comment you were in jail, but say it was written in jest. Everytime you
get caught out, you say you were only joking. Psst.....DP-I, I think YOU are a
joke.Kent - given Frazier's vulnerability to big punchers, we can't
'deem' him any of those fights against guys he didn't fight. If history has
taught us only one thing, it is that heavyweight fights are
unpredictable.Clay was a huge underdog against Liston but he won. Norton
was huge underdog against Ali...Norton one. Ali and Foreman. Who was the
favourite and who won ? Ali and Spinks. Young and Foreman. Schmelling and Louis.
Frazier and Norton. Frazier and Lyle. Frazier and Shavers. Frazier and Foster.
Frazier and Lewis. (Okay, I'm getting ahead of myself here.)TYSON AND
DOUGLAS.The point is, Frazier didn't take those fights. He made the
decision to fights guys he'd already beaten, guys who couldn't punch, and a guy
who'd won one of his last six fights. History can't 'deem' those fights to
Frazier just because his fans want history to do that.Besides, I believe
that Frazier probably would have been stopped or beaten in at least one or two
of those fights. Joe was a slow starter. Just the appetizer for a big puncher
highly motivated.You must realize, Kent, Frazier had THE reputation,
like Ali did. When lesser lights fought them, the lesser light trained much
harder and were much more motivated than they were against fellow 'nobodies'.
And they've got nothing to lose. Everything to gain. Like the title. They can
make their fortune in one night, one fight. Set for life. Little wonder they try
much harder.That's why you get upsets in title fights, especially
against legendary fighters. Lyle might not have been motivated against fighters
X, Y, and Z. But fighting title holder A he will be motivated and probably
scared. A motivated, scared fighter with a huge punch is a HUGE danger. The type
of danger Frazier avoided at all costs.How can you guys 'deem' Frazier
fights against the guys he dodged, when history shows that upsets are a dime a
dozen. Frazier wouldn't have beaten all those guys. History teaches us that.
Learn the lesson or maintain your blind ignorance. |
|7/13/05 05:14:13 PM|Angelo|DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|I don't like deeming
fights to anyone either. Larry Holmes is one of my alltime favorite fighters.
He never fought John Tate---no one's fault, because the fight was inevitable if
Tate had beaten Mike Weaver. But Weaver beat him and of course, Holmes beat
Weaver. Still, I don't "deem" Larry Holmes the winner over a contemporary
champion he never met, Tate. Instead, I'll say that I belive Holmes had plenty
of weapons and experience to take Tate, but we don't know for sure. Tate was
looking very strong and very good, beating some decent heavyweights, before
Weaver upset him and took the (WBA) title away. But some of the posts here seem
to dismiss Shavers, Lyle, Young, Foster as not being in Frazier's league. "The
fights weren't made because these guys weren't ready for Frazier." Baloney.
The fights weren't made because they were MORE than ready for Frazier, or at
least they were legitimate threats to throw a wrench in the path to another big
money Frazier-Ali fight. Guys like Ellis and Bugner were nice names, but they
did not represent a viable challenge to Frazier. A 1975 Ellis would be an even
match for a 2003 Christopher Reeve. Yes, I suppose this really was a tune-up
for Frazier heading into the Ali fight. Kent, I respect your explanation that
Ellis was a boxer type, similar to Ali and it was just some work for Frazier to
get ready for Manilla. I wish Quarry had taken a tune-up instead of being
forced into the '74 Frazier fight. I stand by my argument that Frazier
shouldn't have been "deemed" worthy of this eliminator. It's funny how we've
heard that after bad losses, other guys had to rebuild their careers and
reputations. Let's not forget that after Foreman stomped on Frazier, Frazier
lost to Ali too. Okay, without rebuilding his own career, suddenly he's thrust