January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

"Uncle Tom" meant.Joe fought some great fights against Ali but, take
those fights out, what have you got ? I would have liked to have seen Frazier,
AFTER the first Ali fight, in against Norton, Shavers, and Lyle.Sure,
we'd all make Frazier favourite, but there are no certainties with big punchers.
With Frazier in the damaged state he was in, vulnerable to big punchers as
Foreman (and even Bonavena proved), I think there'd be an upset ortwo in
there. I'm confident that Larry Holmes would have beaten Frazier without
too many problems. The jab would have kept Frazier away and Holmes would have
convincingly outboxed him. |
|6/25/05 04:58:06 AM|Kent|Murrieta, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Noam, you are
right, no one should say anything bad about Floyd Patterson as the man had guts
to even get in the ring with Liston and also by taking a rematch with Johannson
after being knocked down seven times in their first fight. I must have missed
the comment about Floyd.I was at a fight card last night. It was a good
card but off the top of my head, I can't remember who fought. I have to do a
report on the card in the morning but I hadn't heard of anyone, the information
is in my notes. Give me a break it is late at night after a long day and a long
drive home.I don't have to know who the fighters are to know there were
four out of five fights on the card that were good fights, very competitive with
the outcome in doubt during most of the fights.I asked long time referee
and official Lou Filipo if Frazier had ever ducked anyone. Filipo said, "Joe
never ducked anyone, he was one tough guy and it was the other way around,
people avoided Frazier." I also asked some reporters on press row the same
thing and the people I talked to, nobody famous or anything but regulars on the
local circuit, all agreed with me and Filipo about Frazier.|
|6/25/05 05:25:43 AM|Massimo |Roma||4||||10|Gino-I'd like to add
something to what you said. I think there was not that much difference between
Frazier and Scapriron Johnson. Frazier was better, but not THAT MUCH better.
What I mean is that life is a non linear process. Sometimes if you are a bit
better you become a legend, if you are a bit worse you get nowhere! I mean,
Frazier got 1000 times more respect and glory from boxing than Scapriron did,
but he was not 1000 times better ! Another example: our friend from California
(he really is from there !!!!!) Kent Appel is an amateur (or, at least, I guess
so) singer. Frank Sinatra is 1000000000 times more famous than Kent is as a
singer, but I'm sure he was not 1000000000 better. Another example: Carl Lewis
ran the 100 m in about, what, 9.89 ? How many unknown athletes outta there can
run 100 m in, say, 10"30 ? That's a small difference! In tennis the n.1 ranked
player in the wordl is not 1000 times better than the n.1000 !!!! He is clearly
better, but not 1000 times better ! There are many important exceptions to this
rule, but I think it works most of the times, especially when we are referring
to sports. In defense of Patterson, when he was 37 and over the hill he
beat quite convincingly a 30 years old Oscar Bonavena. He also beat George
Chuvalo in the best fight of 1965. I wonder what would have happened if he
hadn't got injured in the first Ali' fight. I think that Ali' would have beaten
him clearly, he was too big and quick for Floyd, but maybe we would have had a
good fight.|
|6/25/05 08:59:03 AM|Angelo|DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|A lot of the recent
posts make good sense. I think it was Gino who asked how many of us have been
in the ring. I've never fought in front of more than 10 people---friends or
onlookers in a gym. I've fought against people smaller and without my skills,
and bigger and with 5 times my skills. You know what? It's intimidating and
scary to be in the ring. I was just messing around for three rounds with
friends or guys in the gym. I can't even imagine what it's like to go against
someone trying to take your head off, in front of hundreds or thousands of
people. So sure, a guy like Terry Daniels or someone like Jumbo Cummings
deserves a lot of respect from a layman. No doubt about it---I wouldn't last
half a minute with either of them. But we are talking about the very best of