January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

speak for himself (although his opinion of Frazier's stamina is diffrent from
your's)Regarding Frazier entering the WBA Tournament, I have read many
of the past posts on this subject. They are quite lenghty and at this moment in
time quite boring. You have your opinion and others have their's. But unless
some of the regulars on this board change their opinions on this topic or bring
up new information, I think it is a waste of time to discuss.|
|9/19/05 04:57:00 PM|Noam|same||same||||10|Pete - I understand that Frazier got
$150,000.00 for the Mathis fight, but I could be wrong (as Kent can vouch). I
know it was less than the $175,000.00 had he won the WBA tournament. Rich
pickings either way.Regards the other question. How about you answer it
as it seems that you know anyway. Answer me something else. Given that
Joe hadn't fought a ranked opponent in the year prior to the WBA tournament,
what basis did he have to proclaim himself THE best heavyweight in the world at
that point ? Bear in mind that I don't deny that as it turned out he was
the best. But on race form at the time of the WBA tournament he didn't have past
hits on the board for that to be accepted in theory, BEFORE it was proved in
practize.I do believe that Joe would beat any heavyweight to that point
(Ali apart). However, the outcome becomes less certain when Joe can't fully
dictate the circumstances of a fight. If, for example, he had to fight three
hard fights in a row - Bonavena, Quarry, Ellis - rather than Doyle, Conners,
Mathis - the chance of an upset in at least one of those fights becomes a very
real concern. Likewise, if those three hard fights had a power puncher in them -
say a Shavers or Lyle - I wouldn't bet my house on Joe.I'll put it this
way, arrange a fight with Shavers mixed in with ones against Conners and Mathis
and I'd pick Joe. But mix the Shavers fight in after tough ones against Quarry
and Ali and I'd be less certain. Joe would be prime for an upset.Regards
Holmes. Above everything else Holmes was motivated by money. He still is. Go to
his website and he says that a boxer should only retire when promoters stop
offering them the money they want. Larry says that he'd still fight today if the
offer was right.Something else about Larry. He fought more rounds than
almost all others - in particular Ali and Frazier - yet his mind is still clear
and unscrambled. Perhaps he didn't have the wars the other guys had, but it
still says something about his ability.|
|9/19/05 05:20:12 PM|Gerry|Cleveland||same||||10|Pete, on Frazier-Quarry I have
to disagree.Quarry was clearly the better boxer and was faster than Frazier.
Quarry was an expert counterpuncher, guys, he had showed that against Patterson,
Spencer, Foster, Shavers and Lyle, among others. You didn't charge Quarry
because he made you pay coming to him.Quarry did well early in both his
fights with Frazier, especially the first one because he went right at the champ
and consistently pounded him. Frazier was staggered several times.But
Frazier had more stamina and was tough enough to pound on his opponents until
they wilted, like Marciano used to do.Quarry also cut, a very painful thing.
Frazier never dropped Quarry in their first fight, even though he owned him for
five high-paced rounds. In the second fight, Quarry focused on boxing, and lost
when he was hit with an amazing body shot. There was question at the time, as I
recall, that Jerry had broken a rib, he was that injured. After that, it was a
mop up, which obscured the fact that Quarry actually looked better the second
time.In the first fight Jerry stayed right in front of Joe, as even Ali
noted, not that Quarry ever moved remarkably well.Those things , the cuts,
the body shot, Jerry's movement, also obscured the fact that these two were not
that far apart. Yes, Joe had the clear edge, but Jerry won rounds, outboxed him
and clearly earned a rematch. As I said before, under the right conditions,
Jerry did have a chance to beat Joe, even though Joe was better, especially if
he avoids getting angry and brawling with Frazier.Sorry, not a walk thru.
Even Joe says so.|
|9/19/05 05:34:10 PM|Pete|Cleveland||N/A||||10|Noam, I find you to be one of the
most forthright guys on this board. And I have defended you on more than 1