January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

good point on Frazier also.It is a shame the guy has been so
bitter.Sometimes in life, no matter what you do, the other guy gets the nod
anyway.I think he has a lot to be proud of, and I'm sure he is.He came
across to me as very likeable, but perhaps he may need to be more philosophical
about his view of his tremendous career. I hope he is. Thanks.|
|10/21/05 12:45:42 PM|Kent|Murrieta, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Guys, my
comments on showing that Holmes and Foreman fought a lower percentage of world
class fighters in their careers than Frazier was not meant to put Holmes or
Foreman down but instead to show that Frazier was not the only champion who
could not measure up to Ali, the greatest of all time.Yes Ali and
Frazier will always be linked by the history of their three great fights and
linking them keeps Frazier more in he public eye but just because Frazier wasn't
as great as Ali, that he wasn't great himself and Holmes and Foreman were great
as well. They all were not as great as Ali.I agree that the so called
Ali haters, who enjoy Ali's current ill health, are not here now and to the best
of my knowledge, none of the current posters have said any such thing about
Ali's health but I am not going to read every single post to prove this. I only
know I have never said anything negative about Ali's health or for that matter
about him as a person.|
|10/21/05 03:05:39 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Gerry:
You're correct about Lyle-Young. It's interesting that Ali seemed to take all
comers. Guys who won an eliminator got to face him. Guys who lost an
eliminator got to meet him. Sneaky boxers like Young, power punchers like Lyle/
Shavers, "Rockys" like Wepner, rematches with guys who gave him fits, like
Frazier and Norton, Europeans like Dunn and Bugner---you name it. Gerry, I
agree that Holmes had some shaky wins, but they were wins nonetheless. Let's
not forget that Lennox Lewis was iced by Rahman and McCall. This didn't happen
to Champion Holmes. Staggered, yes, but iced, no. Holmes dug deep to rebound
and hold his belt. Ali did not give Young a rematch, and some thought Young won
that fight. Also, there are similarities between Cooney-Holmes and Lyle-Ali.
Don't forget, Lyle was fighting very well before Ali scored the TKO. If Cooney
deserved a rematch with Holmes after giving a good showing but getting stopped,
than why not Lyle? Williams and Witherspoon seemed to occur very late in Holmes
reign. Yes, they fought well, like Shavers fought Ali well. Again, no
rematches among these fights either. Holmes missed Tate and Dokes, among
others. I can't think of a deserving fighter who Ali didn't get in with. Both
Holmes and Ali were great Champs. By the way, since you spell your name with a
"G" is this possibly Gerry Cooney? No wonder you're still going on about not
getting that rematch with Holmes! |
|10/21/05 03:40:17 PM|Gerry Schultz|Cleveland||same||||10|Good points on Ali-
Lyle, Angelo.One judge called it a draw, one gave it to Ali by a single
point. Lyle was a very strong contender.Your case that Ali could have
rematched a few of these guys is pretty good also.No, I'm Gerry Cooney.
There are more than a few Gerrys out there, contrary to some stupid opinions
posted on here a while back.You make a great point on Holmes. He took Ernie
Shavers' best shot hard. But he got up and won.There's certainly something
to be said for that.I still remember Lewis just decimating Razor Ruddock and
was blown away by his talent at that time. Certainly the two, Lewis and Holmes,
are very comparable.|
|10/21/05 03:59:35 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Lewis and
Holmes successes are comparable, but if the two met, prime vs. prime, I'd give a
not so small edge to Holmes. Lennox was a long reigning champion and also an
honorable one outside the ring---I think he restored some dignity to the title
and carried himself well---but I think Holmes was grittier, tougher and more
skilled. Lewis had that nice size advantage with the big reach to keep guys
away from him. Lewis was a very good looking athlete too, with solid
credentials. I just think that Holmes had that something extra that elevated