January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

mimick others who become punch drunk (although if you read Forest you'd think it
was only Clay doing that).However, boxers do it as competitors when they
are young and motivated above all else to win. They are a bit reckless and say
and do things they regret - just like most other young people. They have
competitive reasons for it.The case with Frazier is much different
because he is no longer a boxer. We have a 60 years old fully grown man
ridiculing another for being sick and impaired. Frazier has no competitive
reason for doing it. His motivation is cruelty.What we have in Frazier
is a 60 years old man boasting that he made another human being ill and
impaired. He wants to take credit for the suffering.Views about Frazier
as a boxer vary on this site from being a very good heavyweight to a
legend.But after hearing Forest's story about what Frazier is like today
and the way he gets his kicks, we all now know in our heart of hearts that he is
a Z grade human being; a cruel, bitter, twisted type that sits around being a
bad sport against someone who beat him.In hindsight, we should all be
grateful to Forest Ward for relating the anecdote that revealed Frazier's true
colours. |
|8/22/04 08:08:34 PM|angelo|dc||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|It's true---if Frazier
at 60 is mimmicking Ali and "taking credit" for Ali's Parkinson's suffering, I
suspect that Frazier might be senile, or in the early stages.It's such a
bizarre and twisted action on his part, I'm concerned that his mental state is
in fact much worse than Ali's, which is more of a physical ailment (Ali still
has cognitive ability, but severe physical ailments.). Meanwhile, it seems to
me as though Frazier's psychological or emotional well being are sadly impaired,
both due to the story from Forrest and also reports that Frazier is slapping
women around. It's sad if it's true.Yes, Foreman's second career gives hope
to all over 40 that they can still turn back the clock if they put their mind to
it. I was with some older people (married couples) who watched the night that
he challenged Holyfield. Even though Foreman lost, all the party goers suddenly
felt like they could do anything they wanted, because Foreman just gave
Holyfield a hell of a fight.|
|8/22/04 08:10:26 PM|Gerry|Cleveland||same||||10|I do not doubt that both Ali
and Frazier, in private moments, have made fun of each other, even recently. The
diff is Ali did it publicly, a clear lack of class he should be held accountable
for. Ali is bulletproof here for some, so I'll leave it at that... As far as
Foreman, to clarify, I do believe he clearly wasted huge potential, and has been
said, should be judged on what he did,not what he had. He should get points for
Cooney and Moorer, though he was hardly THE champ at 45. He still rates as a
legend based on his performances. I don't consider him top Ten but many do, a
good case can be made for George and his awesome power. Thanks again. |
|8/22/04 08:39:53 PM|Angelo|dc||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Gerry: Actually, I see
it differently (As an Ali fan and defender, I guess that's natural.). I think
the fact that Ali mimmicked Frazier or made fun of him publicly is far less of a
concern than Frazier doing it privately. Ali did it to all of his opponents and
I know some people here will disagree---but he did it in large part to promote
the fights. He was the quintessential WWF "Bad Guy" playing that role. If
Frazier is doing it in private, all these years later, the guy is extremely
disturbed. I'm picturing Frazier playing cards with buddies, or sitting at a
bar, impersonating Ali's tremors and inability to speak---and getting a good
laugh. That's very disturbing indeed, bordering on spooky. It's like he can't
let go of 1971, while everyone else has moved on. Joe helped Ali get his
license back so that Joe could make money. Ali made more money for Joe than he
ever dreamed possible. Ali made Joe a household name and a celebrity, and it
wouldn't have happened without him. Joe, you're 33 years older than you were---
let it go already. |
|8/22/04 08:49:23 PM|angelo|dc||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Gerry: I thought long
and hard about your Foreman comments. I would say that he's top ten.If you