January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

injury after nine rounds in a fight he was winning verses Chris Byrd.I
can't imagine Jerry Quarry quitting in any fight just because he had an injured
arm. He would have endured the pain and fought on one handed even if he was
hopelessly behind in the fight let alone leading on all of the
scorecards.I think heart could very well be the deciding factor in a
match between Jerry and Vitali K.|
|10/19/05 10:17:56 AM|.|.||.||||10|As you have been discussing Ali and Frazier,
I thought it was worth reposting something I wrote here a few years ago. An
analysis of the scoring of Ali-Frazier 1 reveals some interesting things. If you
watch the film “The Fighters,” the match seems very close, especially as there
is no commentary in that film to bias the viewer. I think that Frazier won the
fight by eight rounds to seven, but consider this: The closest scoring was that
of the referee Arthur Mercantee. He scored it 8-6-1. Had Ali won round 15, he
would have had a draw on the ref’s card. The two judges scored it 9-6 and an
absurd 11-4. On his website, Joe Kraus, who’s no fool, scores the fight 7-7-1
in rounds, a draw. Here’s the link:
http://www.geocities.com/sadmspats/FraziervsAli.htm In an article written
in 1975 by Lou Erskin, who had refereed Ali’s fight with Blue Lewis in Dublin in
1972, Erskin claimed to have scored the fight 8-7 for Ali and he claims that
many other ringsider observers had done the same, even though Frazier had two
big rounds in 11 and 15. Finally, the most interesting thing for me about the
scoring of that fight is that although Ali did not win more than six rounds on
any one card, he did win ten DIFFERENT rounds when all three score cards were
looked at in aggregate. That means that those rounds were close enough for Ali
to have won all of them. Ali said on TV in 1990 that although he wouldn’t accept
it at the time, Frazier did deserve to win their first fight. I agree, but the
fight was very very close. Any thoughts? |
|10/19/05 10:57:34 AM|Willard|Florida||a||||10|Well, no name guy, I think it's
funny that you call Bill Recht's score of 11-4 absurd, but you have no problem
when someone calls the fight even. More Ali nuthugging going on that makes me
dislike him even more.You say that their were 10 close rounds that could
have gone either way. So why not in favor of Frazier? Why is it okay for Ali to
be given the close rounds, but not Frazier?|
|10/19/05 11:04:10 AM|Willard|Florida||a||||10|My point is, maybe Bill saw those
10 rounds going in Frazier's favor. But according to you, it's absurd to think
that, while another guy could score all 10 in favor of Ali, and you would have
no problem with that.I know no one gave Ali 10 rounds, but if someone
did, I'm sure you wouldn't be calling it absurd.|
|10/19/05 11:06:26 AM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|I might be
Ali's biggest fan, yet I watch Ali-Frazier I. and can't make a reasonable case
that Ali should have been declared the winner. Frazier forced the action.
Frazier had a fight plan and stuck with it. Frazier entered the fight in
superior physical condition, ready for a war. It's been a long time, but I
recall giving Ali only six rounds. Frazier won at least eight and maybe nine.
Even if I watched the fight again and gave Ali the benefit of the doubt, I can't
see more than one round swinging his way on my scoring. This would leave the
fight at 8-7 Frazier, or with a real stretch, 7-7-1. But honestly, with the
knockdown, it was clinched for Joe. I think Frazier won his rounds a little
more impressively than Ali's winning rounds. Incredibly, I don't think Ali
realized Joe had so much left a few years later, in Manilla. Again, I think Ali
underestimated Frazier. And again, Frazier fought Ali with more intensity than
he ever fought anyone else. For my money, Ali's most consistent performance was
probably their second fight, which I don't think was as close as most people
say. |
|10/19/05 02:55:46 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Back on
the topic of Frazier title defenses though, I did some research into the boxing
life of Terry Daniels AFTER his loss to Smokin' Joe.Seems that Daniels'