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universal lack of interest and if my memory is correct it had the smallest
attendance in heavyweight history. It would have been difficult to get a bet on
because there was so little interest. I just can't understand how that fight
could possibly have been fixed. I don't agree with you on your fixed fight
theory, Massimo.I accept what you say about Lewis and Tyson, though.|
|11/29/05 04:08:11 PM|Paul|Las Vegas||private||||1|Angelo, I first posted on
this site in 1999. And at that time I did leave my Email address. Do you really
expect me to leave it now. I have read many of the posts of the last year.
People are labelled drunks, racists, homosexuals... This is not spirited debate,
it is mean spirited ranting.Noam, where do get your information from?
You don't even know me. And yet you are bad mouthing me. Also, regarding some of
your recent posts. You write that Kenny Norton did not use steroids. How do you
know this? You write that Ali was an overwhelming favorite in the second fight
with Liston. That is not true, Liston was still a favorite in the second fight.
One more thing you and Howard C from my reading past posts are the biggest
demagogues on this site.Kent those names yopu mention were not on this
site in 1999, or 01, 02. They came later proving my point. This site has become
a cesspool with pretending their opinions are facts. And terrible name calling.
The fact that Brenda Quarry has threatened to pull the plug on this site proves
my point,|
|11/29/05 04:19:57 PM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|Noam-You're right, I
shouldn't have used the word "fixed" for the second Ali'-Liston fight. What
probably happened was that Liston as soon as he realized he was going to lose
again, he gave up. Every time I see that fight I feel a sense of disappointment.
That was a bad night for boxing. But it wasn't Ali's fault, it was Liston's
fault. |
|11/29/05 05:58:23 PM|Noam|same||same||||10|Massimo, I agree. In my opinion,
Liston's spirit was entirely broken and he was a beaten man and he didn't want
to get up even though he could have.Ali seemed to acknowledge this
himself. After the second fight with Liston, Ali said, "The punch jarred him.
But I didn't think I hit him so hard he couldn't get up."According to a
book I have The Rough Guide to Muhammad Ali), Liston commented two years after
the fight, "Ali knocked me down with a sharp punch. I was down but not
hurt....Ali is waiting to hit me, the ref can't control him. I have to put one
knee and one glove on the canvass to get up. You know, Ali is a nut. You can
tell what a normal man is going to do, but you can't tell what a nut is going to
do and Ali is a nut."Personally, I think Ali gave Liston an excuse to
quit and he quit. Ali was one of those rare fighters who took more than boxing
skills into the ring. The sheer force of his personality not influenced the
mindset of his opponents and probably even a few judges along the way.|
|11/29/05 06:13:06 PM|Noam|same||same||||10|Paul, lighten up. I stated my
opinion that Ken Norton was not using steroids. Without proof to the contrary,
you're only stating your opinion, just like me. Regards the second
Liston fight, you are right. Liston was favourite. Thanks for setting me
straight.Regards bad mouthing you. I wasn't. I was just replying to your
unprovoked attack on me. Suddenly, appearing from nowhere, straight after
someone else tried to start a fight about Ali, you come on making provocative
comments. We can reply, can't we ?And regards demogogues, or whatever
the term was you used. When I've been wrong, I've apologized. Others haven't.
The leaders of this site are the Quarrys. When they asked us to quieten down and
clean it all up, we did. A month or so ago.Yet although everyone has
been getting along smoothly, you come on to pick a fight. That's why I think
your agenda is to start trouble here again. Hence the ridiculous posts about Ali
from some whacko, but when that didn't start a fight, you come on with your
moralizing. Well, thanks, but no thanks. You can have the last word if you want,
Paul, and knock yourself out doing it, but I'm not going to acknowledge you
further. |