January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

|6/27/05 04:40:54 AM|Massimo "Big sleep" Cini|Roma||macgrady.com||||10|Hi Noam,
I did wake up a couple of hours ago. The weather is very sunny in Roma, we all
owe a thanks to Linde, the underrated guy (almost unknown) who invented air
conditioning!!!!!!!I didn't see any of those fights, unfortunately. I don't
get a lot of the real important fights.|
|6/27/05 07:52:41 AM|Massimo "Big sleep"
Cini|Roma||yawn@I'msleepy.com||||10|Just to complete the information I gave in
my post, Stander was in the top 10 for both WBA and WBC until he lost by split
decision to the jorneyman Reco Brooks. After the Frazier fight, his career fell
apart.|
|6/27/05 08:16:22 AM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Kent: My
bad. I thought the Shavers-Lyle fight was '74, not '75. The point remains---
both of these guys showed tremendous punching power in various fights early in
their careers and neither of them got a fight with Frazier. And before you tell
us again that Stander beat Shavers and Quarry beat Shavers, you know what,
Foreman beat Frazier. Norton beat Bobick (and he still got a fight with
contender John Tate after the first round KO loss to Norton). Pros, especially
back then, suffered early KOs but weren't "damaged goods" and they got right
back in the saddle to fight important matches right away. Regardless of what
Jerry said following the fight, Shavers hit him with some hard shots in that
first round, before Jerry KOed him. I don't think Frazier's management wanted
any part of that. In fact, they seemed to have a real comfort level taking on
guys Frazier had already knocked out. One or two observations about Frazier---
he took a couple rounds to get in the flow of a fight and he didn't do well
backing up. Guys like Ali, Ellis and yes, even Jerry, hit him with a lot of
punches, but weren't accomplished KO artists in the true sense of the word.
Frazier could shake off the punishment and get in his rhythm and when he made it
past the first few rounds, he would start to dominate the fight. This is what
made him so good---finding that bobbing/up and down rhythm, throwing punches
while moving, hooking wildly (at least it looked wild) but landing with
accuracy. You take a bigger guy like Foreman or Lyle, or a powerhouse like
Shavers, standing their ground and winging A-Bombs, and Frazier would be
perplexed. I don't think he would win a slugfest with any of these guys.
Against Shavers, he could probably survive long enough for Shavers to get
fatiqued, then take over the fight and put Shavers away...maybe. Lyle had a bit
more stamina (and I'm not just basing this on his fight against Shavers). Lyle
would not back down and would not tire as easily. That would be a war. Foreman
would...Foreman would...probably drop Joe about six times in two rounds. |
|6/27/05 09:18:13 AM|Kent|Murrieta, Ca||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|Noam, that
Frazier always played it safe is nonsense. Fighting Ali three times, Foreman
twice, Bonevena twice, and Quarry twice, was not playing it safe. Yes,
the second Quarry fight was not the war the first one was, but the first fight
was a war and hardly an easy fight for Frazier, a win over Jerry was not
guaranteed as Frazier had recently lost to Foreman and Ali and Jerry had won six
fights in a row including wins over Lyle, Shavers, and Larry Middleton. Jerry
was actually favored to win by the oddsmakers. In hindsight, after a couple of
difficult rounds, it was an easier fight for Frazier but no one knew this
beforehand.Again, fighting Bonevena a second time was also not taking it
easy and not a guarenteed win for Frazier as the first fight was very difficult
and fighting Bonevena was never easy for anyone.You said we are not
comparing Frazier to Foreman, that we are comparing Frazier to Ali. You can't
compare anyone to Ali as Ali was the greatest and just because Frazier doesn't
measure up to Ali means nothing.One thing no one can say is I have said
anything negative ever about Ali I have said he is the best all along. I also
can't rate Frazier over Foreman in any all time rankings as George beat him
twice. But I stick by my point that if you are critical of Frazier for not
facing big hitters, than you have to say the same thing about Foremen also as