January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

|9/12/03 04:19:08 PM|Angelo|Washington, DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|As a
lifelong Ali fan, my heart tells me that he indeed hit Liston with the "Phantom"
punch in that second fight, that landed flush on the buzzer and KOed Liston.
But my MIND tells me that Sonny might have taken a dive. I'm not saying Ali was
in on it, but maybe Sonny was paid off or threatened---or didn't think he could
overcome Ali's speed and youth and didn't want to take another beating. He took
a legitimate punch, but only one, and took a dive. I simply don't see how this
punch could have really KOed a guy like Liston---super tough and willing to mix
it up with anyone. On the topic of Teo Stevenson of Cuba: He might have
DEVELOPED into a good pro had he been able to go that route---but at his very
best as an amateur, even in Cuba where he trained like a pro and was treated
like one, he would be walked over by most Top 10 pro heavyweight fighters of his
era. People were so impressed that he KOed Bobick and Tate, but these guys
weren't even pros at the time. You put Teo at his best in with a guy like
Foreman or Mike Tyson and he'd be knocked out in one round. Frazier, Quarry,
Shavers, Lyle, Ali, Ellis, the list goes on and on. These guys would make him
look silly. You don't spend your life training for 3 rounds against 18-20 year
old amateurs then step in against an Earnie Shavers in his mid-late 20's, who
has had 50 + pro fights and ended most by KO. And Shavers isn't even at the top
of my list. |
|9/12/03 04:43:40 PM|Steve|N.J.||dmmsrm@comcast.net||||10|Hey,R.S. your
depiction of a bully is very accurate.The old idea of a bully just needing to be
stood up to is why we we are having shootings in schools.Inside the ring,there
are no bullies.Both men enter the ring willingly.Both men are trained,
professional fighters.Thats' a far cry from being threatened or physically
abused by someone much larger and stronger than yourself.Outside the
ring,telling a kid whoe's 5'6" tall and weighs in at 135 lbs. to just "stand up
to the bully",who's 6' tall and 185 lbs,is asking to get your kid sent to the
hospital!Their are some very real,large,strong,mean,possibly physcopathic people
out there,but not many in pro sports.Although Warren Sapp does spring to mind.|
|9/12/03 04:49:33
PM|Roadscholarette|Chicago||roadscholarette@hotmail.com||||10|Supposedly, Liston
said he was just doing what he was told, re the Ali fights. The second one was
pretty bad, almost as bad as Jack Johnson (against Jeffries) shading his eyes
with his gloves, then getting up when the count reached 10. I've seen slo mo
that does indicate that Ali made contact with a very short, and I think weak,
punch. However, I've seen other fighters staggered by very short punches that
didn't look like much on replay. Look at Ali-Frazier 1. The punch in the 15th
round came from down home, and Ali was up immediately, and fighting back hard at
the end of the round. In the 11th though, when he was reeling around like a guy
ready to fall off a surfboard, he was hit with two real short, and spaced out
blows, to start things off.Who knows if those fights were fixed? If we
assume they were though, wouldn't we have to assume a lot more, possibly all
were? Not that I don't think a fight's never been crooked, but it'd be hard to
take any of them seriously and enjoy the sport at all once we started down that
road.|
|9/12/03 04:54:24 PM|Kent|La Habra, CA||kentallenent@aol.com||||10|I think
Liston was hit with a good punch in the second Ali fight but he wasn't hurt that
badly. Jersey Joe Walcott did a poor job of refereeing and he didn't send Ali
to the neutral corner.Next, Walcott leaves the fighers to check with the
time keeper to see what the count was and the fighters start fighting again.
What Walcott should have done is insist Ali go to a corner and not start the
count until Ali obeyed. I think Liston stayed down because Ali was acting like
a nut and Walcott didn't have control over Ali, that Liston wasn't sure if Ali
would hit him while he was down or not. It is when Walcott returns to the
fighters that he signals Liston had been down for more than ten seconds and the
fight is over. My point is, if Walcott had control of the ring like a good