January 2002 - July 2006 - The Jerry Quarry Foundation

were both front-runners. Liston quit against Ali when things weren't going
right, he fouled against Machen when Eddie put up a good fight. They both used
intimidation, but when that didn't work they turned on themselves and showed
they were both mentally weak. The one time Liston made a stand was against
Williams the first go. Cleve threw one of the most beautiful triple left hooks
I have ever seen. Liston was hurt and composed himself and came back later that
round. Sonny would be a favorite over Tyson for me, but either one of them
could wilt when faced with real pressure.|
|6/16/05 01:18:57 PM|Massimo |Roma||4||||10|Could wilt ?!?!?! I didn't know that
"wilt" was a verb ! I thought it only was the name of the greatest champion in
sport history: WILT CHAMBERLAIN !|
|6/16/05 01:56:06 PM|Massimo|Roma||4||||10|Fan-You missed two of
Liston's most important fights...Those against Mike De John and Zora Folley.
What happened in the Liston-Bethea fight ? I know that Sonny won in 1 round but
I don't know the details. Wayne Bethea was a tough guy who knocked Franco De
Piccoli out in 4 in Italia (probably Roma) in 1963. His brother, Tom Bethea, was
knocked out by Nino Benvenuti (an Italiano guy). Thanks.|
|6/16/05 04:05:27 PM|Fan|Fandom||Fan@Fandom.com||||10|There is no film of
Liston-Folley or Liston-DeJohn. What I remember about the articles about those
are interesting though. I guess Liston was having trouble with Folley the first
couple rounds then Folley complained he couldn't see in between rounds two and
three (sound familiar?). Liston then swarmed at the beginning of round three
and knocked Folley cold. Liston dominated Dejohn who really wasn't that good fo
fighter. I have Dejohn vs Hunter and Dejohn vs Chuvalo. Big Mike could wallop,
but other than that didn't have a good chin or any other plus skills.|
|6/16/05 08:36:36 PM|Angelo|DC||funktron@yahoo.com||||10|Massimo---I wonder if
that was the same Tom Bethea (Tom "THE BOMB" Bethea) who was beaten by Michael
Spinks, early in Spinks' pro career?Regarding Liston, I've seen a few of his
fights---believe it or not, one that impressed me was his last---against Chuck
Wepner. Why? Liston was probably old enough to be Wepner's father, but he
still had that jab working and went the distance---getting a nice win. Liston
showed stamina and still demonstrated some of the skills that made him a
champion years earlier. Not to revisit a sore subject, but if somehow, some way,
Liston and Frazier would have crossed paths in the mid to late 60's (say 66-68),
I think the outcome would be in question. Frazier, the younger guy, would be
favored, but if Liston got out of the gate fast (like Quarry did against
Frazier) Joe might have been iced by the old timer. Kent, you're the go-to guy
for all the reasons Frazier didn't happen to meet all the usual suspects---
knockout artists, power punchers, guys who gave better than they took---what
kept him from meeting Sonny in this period? Did Sonny lose one of the years so
that made the fight too uninteresting to sell tickets? Was Frazier too young in
'66 to fight the dangerous big bad wolf? Was he too busy in '68 and waiting in
line for the Jets-Colts game in '69? |
|6/16/05 09:35:09 PM|Steve|na||na||||10|Joey,I haven't watched any of Tyson's
earlier fights lately,so I'm just posting from memory.He was a monster to
behold,upper body movement,always throwing combos out of a crouch.Lightning fast
hands,except for an occasional lazy follow up left hook.He had the ability to
absorb a very hard single shot,as he did against Razor Ruddick,as long as he was
in his rhythm,or game plan.Untill Buster Douglas,nobody had even attempted to
through him off script.After that fight,he was a sitting duck for
Hollyfield.Hollyfield got away with the same pushing off as Foreman did against
Frazier.He pushed away any attempt to get in punching range,then landed punches
off the seperations,just as Foreman did against Frazier.In this way ,he slowed
Tyson up and controlled the pace of the fight.Tyson and Frazier where not highly
adaptable to chances in thier style, or getting pushed back,which is illegal,and
then getting hit with pinpoint jabs ,uppercuts,and over hand rights.Joey,I
respectfully disagree that Joe Frazier,Ron Lyle, and Jimmy Young where not big